Delta Hiring News
08-11-2013, 02:48 PM
#871
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Position: E190 FO
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My outlook is we are all qualified or else we wouldn't apply. It is the attitude and preparation for the interview that will separate everyone. A friend of mine who got hired in 08 told me, "this is a 5 million dollar job if you stay until retirement. So make sure you approach it that way with preparing in all aspects. None of us are for sure hires."
So I have done just that like I did in pilot training. Study, interview prep, go over and over your résumé for accuracy and be level headed. Check the fighter, entitlement ego or whatever it is at the hotel room before you get to Delta.
Damn, I've rambled again. Off my soap box and checking out.
Cheers
08-11-2013, 06:37 PM
#872
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I've heard Delta favors military and that may work in my favor but I know their are plenty of good qualified pilots on the civilian side too. My best friend out of college went to Eagle and I went military. Now we are both applying for Delta. I hope he gets hired as much as I want it.
My outlook is we are all qualified or else we wouldn't apply. It is the attitude and preparation for the interview that will separate everyone. A friend of mine who got hired in 08 told me, "this is a 5 million dollar job if you stay until retirement. So make sure you approach it that way with preparing in all aspects. None of us are for sure hires."
So I have done just that like I did in pilot training. Study, interview prep, go over and over your résumé for accuracy and be level headed. Check the fighter, entitlement ego or whatever it is at the hotel room before you get to Delta.
Damn, I've rambled again. Off my soap box and checking out.
Cheers
My outlook is we are all qualified or else we wouldn't apply. It is the attitude and preparation for the interview that will separate everyone. A friend of mine who got hired in 08 told me, "this is a 5 million dollar job if you stay until retirement. So make sure you approach it that way with preparing in all aspects. None of us are for sure hires."
So I have done just that like I did in pilot training. Study, interview prep, go over and over your résumé for accuracy and be level headed. Check the fighter, entitlement ego or whatever it is at the hotel room before you get to Delta.
Damn, I've rambled again. Off my soap box and checking out.
Cheers
08-11-2013, 07:11 PM
#873
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EXCELLENT POINT FOR YOU TOO!!!
Which brings up a bigger picture point. While many like to blame the PCL group for what they did, who's really to blame? It's more like the management as well as ALPA national. Although that's nothing new.
It's really not that different than what the legacies did during the BK's. Took deep cuts, just to maintain they're existence. With some of the legacies taking almost 10 years to see any kind of improvements to work rules and pay. And that pay in some cases is basically nothing more than concessionary rates adjusted for inflation/COL increases.
Sad really. Pilots would rather go micro instead of macro, get hung up on fighting/blaming each other, being our own worst enemy, etc.
And NO, I don't work for PCL.
Which brings up a bigger picture point. While many like to blame the PCL group for what they did, who's really to blame? It's more like the management as well as ALPA national. Although that's nothing new.
It's really not that different than what the legacies did during the BK's. Took deep cuts, just to maintain they're existence. With some of the legacies taking almost 10 years to see any kind of improvements to work rules and pay. And that pay in some cases is basically nothing more than concessionary rates adjusted for inflation/COL increases.
Sad really. Pilots would rather go micro instead of macro, get hung up on fighting/blaming each other, being our own worst enemy, etc.
And NO, I don't work for PCL.
I'm just irked that mainline jobs are allowed to be used as the low-lying fruit to cut labor contracts at regional companies. Mainline companies, such as DAL, needs pilots just as much as regional pilots need mainline jobs. That's the bottom line, but for some reason airline management has always been able to negotiate with unfulfilled promises of aircraft orders, growth, and jobs.
08-11-2013, 07:22 PM
#874
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I wasn't saying you did.
Agree with all that. Which makes me say my point AGAIN (not directed at you), while pilots are so busy blaming each other, the picture is much bigger than that as far as what's wrong. In this specific case, DAL management as well ALPA national just screwed over a whole bunch of pilots besides the PCL group with the leverage they exerted on them.
Sadly, the leapfrogging, spring boarding, "jacking up the house" (flying the line reference) also goes the other way, DOWNHILL. And what DAL management/ALPA national did has rippling effects on EVERY other regional that's currently trying to negotiate a CBA. Just like when the first legacy during the BK's took a cut, everybody else had to follow suit. "Downward industry pressure". Again, big picture thinking.
But pilots in typical fashion just want to take the easier route that involves less critical thinking skills and cry "I didn't do anything wrong, t's all your fault!!!" like squabbling children in the back of the family truckster on a summer road trip.
I'm just irked that mainline jobs are allowed to be used as the low-lying fruit to cut labor contracts at regional companies. Mainline companies, such as DAL, needs pilots just as much as regional pilots need mainline jobs. That's the bottom line, but for some reason airline management has always been able to negotiate with unfulfilled promises of aircraft orders, growth, and jobs.
Sadly, the leapfrogging, spring boarding, "jacking up the house" (flying the line reference) also goes the other way, DOWNHILL. And what DAL management/ALPA national did has rippling effects on EVERY other regional that's currently trying to negotiate a CBA. Just like when the first legacy during the BK's took a cut, everybody else had to follow suit. "Downward industry pressure". Again, big picture thinking.
But pilots in typical fashion just want to take the easier route that involves less critical thinking skills and cry "I didn't do anything wrong, t's all your fault!!!" like squabbling children in the back of the family truckster on a summer road trip.
08-11-2013, 09:09 PM
#875
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It is not favoritism, it's pulling your weight. Any airline recruiter would tell you that they would rather take a military guy/girl. Why? Because the military already has done a lot of selection and washing out.
08-11-2013, 10:11 PM
#876
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08-12-2013, 03:17 AM
#877
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I flew the C-21 for three years and then the C-5 for six. I was resigned to the fact that I'd probably go work for Atlas since they needed guys with heavy experience, and I didn't know anyone at the legacies. I knew a bunch of guys at SWA but I didn't want to fly domestic my whole career. I threw in applications and resumes everywhere and only heard from Atlas, they were falling over themselves to get me into a class but I wasn't separated yet. I didn't know that Delta required high school information in the education section on airline apps. I got an email from Delta asking me to go into airline apps and update my high school info. Again let me reiterate that I knew no one at Delta and used an old CC and two buddies as references on my app. I updated my high school info and not a week later I received an email inviting me for an interview. I've been told by numerous captains I fly with that Delta prefers military pilots. Good luck and hopefully we'll see you on the list sooner than later!!
I hope to join the team soon too. Luckily I'm in a good place in the meantime. But it is like being a kid waiting for Christmas but your parents keep telling you that Santa can't visit everyone in one night so he has racked and stacked you and you will be visited based on the list. At least we can still have something to get excited about.
08-12-2013, 03:33 AM
#878
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Half of the profession in the United States is now under concessionary demands from their management and no one, not even at the Express carriers effected, would stand up. The now former Eagle MEC Chairman stated their concerns to the press, but no one undertook their responsibility to manage the union that they send in their money to.
Originally Posted by Dallas News Business writer Terry Maxon
Just last October, American Eagle pilots were forced to accept contract cuts as part of the bankruptcy case of American Eagle, American Airlines and parent AMR.
Now, they’ve been told that the new American will require even lower costs at American Eagle to compete against other regional carriers.
Head of the American Eagle pilot union, Tony Gutierrez, has laid out the choices facing the Air Line Pilot Association members as they consider what it should do. (Gutierrez is chairman of ALPA’s Master Executive Council at American Eagle.)
In short, Delta Air Lines has deals with its regional carriers that will drive its costs for regional feed lower over the next few years. ...
What was not public knowledge at the time was that Delta Air Lines has clauses in its regional capacity purchase agreements that essentially allow it to reset the block hour rates that it pays its other regionals to match the second lowest of any of its regional carriers. As a result, Delta’s announcement made public its ability to drive all of its regional feed costs near Pinnacle by the end of 2017. Because nearly fifty percent of all mainline departures are flown by regional partners, the competitive advantage that Delta is threatening to realize is massive.
When Delta’s CEO elected to make this public over a month ago, US Airways management advised us that in light of that development, it is not willing to place the next “large” RJ order at Eagle or any other regional airline that does not have a plan in place to trend toward Pinnacle’s cost structure. And that is where we find ourselves today.
I'm not calling for a recall or anything of the sort. But, the Pinnacle contract should have never have been authorized, then it should not have made it past ALPA's Representation Dept & gotten the President's signature. Failing that, someone should have called for an Executive Board.
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08-12-2013, 04:13 AM
#879
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It sure is difficult to get pilots to manage their union. The PNCL agreement involved crystal clear violations of ALPA's Admin Manual, should not have been authorized, or ratified. Not a single MEC Chairman called for an Executive Board. Not a single Status Rep called for a MEC meeting to compel their Chairman to action.
Half of the profession in the United States is now under concessionary demands from their management and no one, not even at the Express carriers effected, would stand up. The now former Eagle MEC Chairman stated their concerns to the press, but no one undertook their responsibility to manage the union that they send in their money to.Actually, the provisions which require tier matching in the Delta Connection agreement(s) are public knowledge, if you were to ask almost anyone with any experience over at DCI. That's why ALPA has the provisions in our Admin Manual so that bargaining groups can work together to avoid this kind of massive strategic error.
I'm not calling for a recall or anything of the sort. But, the Pinnacle contract should have never have been authorized, then it should not have made it past ALPA's Representation Dept & gotten the President's signature. Failing that, someone should have called for an Executive Board.
Half of the profession in the United States is now under concessionary demands from their management and no one, not even at the Express carriers effected, would stand up. The now former Eagle MEC Chairman stated their concerns to the press, but no one undertook their responsibility to manage the union that they send in their money to.Actually, the provisions which require tier matching in the Delta Connection agreement(s) are public knowledge, if you were to ask almost anyone with any experience over at DCI. That's why ALPA has the provisions in our Admin Manual so that bargaining groups can work together to avoid this kind of massive strategic error.
I'm not calling for a recall or anything of the sort. But, the Pinnacle contract should have never have been authorized, then it should not have made it past ALPA's Representation Dept & gotten the President's signature. Failing that, someone should have called for an Executive Board.
If it is - use the by-laws to invalidate it. I'd love to get my $6 an hour back.
08-12-2013, 05:57 AM
#880
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Yes, and no. The military pilots come with assumed characteristics which include high quality selection and training. Some have also used a lot of military leave. Some have observed a lot of bracketing of vacation and sick leave with military leaves of absence, which has led to some grumbling by people who matter. ( not that I have a concern ... it means more people on the seniority list ... just providing SA )
As others have pointed out, the regional guys have already been flying Delta passengers and in some cases, their HR records are already on Delta's computers. In some cases, the regional guy's Chief is already a Delta manager or a former Delta manager ... resulting in their characteristics being pretty well known to Delta also.
Your post was really well written and exactly the way applicants should approach the opportunity. Just providing some situational awareness, ie, don't ask the question several have asked in the past, "if I came to Delta, how long would it be before I could go out on leave?"
As others have pointed out, the regional guys have already been flying Delta passengers and in some cases, their HR records are already on Delta's computers. In some cases, the regional guy's Chief is already a Delta manager or a former Delta manager ... resulting in their characteristics being pretty well known to Delta also.
Your post was really well written and exactly the way applicants should approach the opportunity. Just providing some situational awareness, ie, don't ask the question several have asked in the past, "if I came to Delta, how long would it be before I could go out on leave?"
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 08-12-2013 at 06:14 AM.
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