EmbraerFlyer

Are all new hires required to do water survival training or is that something required when you are in a category that perform such flying?

Doug Masters

My class in '07 did it during indoc.

ShyGuy

What's wrong with being NYC based?

brakechatter

Delta's product suffers because of outsourcing, period. It is rare that I don't see a delta pilot helping our customer's in various forms when I am at work. We keep engaged, we engage our customers. I do not see that on connects carriers at all--even with the giant strides I have seen in the QOL of the regional pilot. I never saw any sort of decent pay, trip rig, positive space commuting, reasonable duty time days when I was there-and I am glad it has improved.

Make no mistake, ALL of that improvement has come at the expense of mainline carriers. SWA and other productive low paid carriers came in and started hitting yields with the low hanging fruit of the trunk carriers. To battle back, the regional carriers boomed with the advantage of the RJ. Legacy pilots ended up taking the hits via jobs, pay, QOL, pensions, and just about everything else. I didn't see many regional pilots worried a whole heck of a lot about finding jobs for them. Now, the majors have ironed out the issues, and the tide seems to be turning. Regional margins are coming under fire, because the airplanes can't support the inflated compensation structure as predicted. The very boom some of you have enjoyed has now come full circle. It's a cruel business always has been, always will be. Military guys want their buddies to get jobs, regional pilots want to get their buddies on. Everyone has their reason why they deserve the job. Me? Just give me a turboprop pilot-great lakes, piedmont, king air corporate, p-3. Humble, hungry, and good sticks they are. Make your own path, it will be much more satisfying in the end, at least it was for me. Or complain the rest of your life. Your choice.

NERD

I'm starting to wonder if some of these guys(xjcrew1,Mesabah) are imposters. Actually a good tactic if you are not a "special" pilot and want less of the ssps to make it through. By having this attitude on here, rubbing a little more salt in the wound of having our contract subverted behind our backs with mgmt. A lot of Dal pilots really don't like these flows, ssps, whatever. xj and mesabah, you must remember your statements unfortunately will be held against any and all flows and ssps by some. Even though the compass and mesaba flows have guaranteed jobs and the ssps have a special interview pipeline, you ALL must make it through training, OE and probation. I recommend not stirring things up on the interweb. Be humble and keep your mouths shut. JMHO

johnso29

All new hires in indoc training. It's not fleet specific.

forgot to bid

everyone does it. make sure you inflate both sides of the giant raft otherwise it folds up and throws everyone in the water. which is right about the time you have the eye gouging tent covers up which do aim for the eyes
they also spray you with the water hose.

you also go down the slides.

TenYearsGone

Either you are scared of the water or you have a HAIRY back We all do the survival training. It is a no pain event.

TEN

johnso29

The airports are congested. The airspace is over crowded. The controllers are acting as if there are still furloughs going on. Departure gates shut down when there isn't any weather close to them. And when there is wx in the area......well it's a disaster. Transportation in the area can be quite pricey.

There are a few reasons why it can stink.

John Carr

It's not unique to DAL/DCI, it's just the (de)evolution of the relationship between a legacy carrier and outsourced/lowest bidder feed they choose to go with.

I'd say that UAL/UAX is worse in that regard than DAL/DCI.

The point made previous is the truth though, even though some may choose to ignore it. The cheapest (crappiest) feed helps to keep the profits/least possible loss.

So whilst a mainline employee may feel smart/educated in being critical of an outsourced feeder's substandard performance, they're simply getting what legacy management paid for.

It's is truly getting tested of how crappy a pizza can be before people stop eating it