TED74

Just my .02, but I'd practice guarding against making statements that could be interpreted as arrogant. Research shows that interviewers will subconsciously spend the bulk of an interview simply trying to confirm their initial impression of you, so one misspeak up front could really cost you. Consider overeating some humble pie the morning of the big day...

badflaps

If you follow L7p's replies, you will see that he has retained a remarkable attitude, considering his time in the hold.

John Carr

If one were to assess a personality from internet postings, well, there's a metric crap-ton of people on here that must have done one heck of a job putting on a show and convincing the hiring people otherwise.

Or is it that once the job is secured, it's perfectly ok to become the arrogant cocky bastard that's a flaming bag o'douche with an allergy to humble pie?

Seriously, there's enough of them that post on here.

I'm inclined to agree with badflaps.

lear700pilot

Bad flaps and John Carr, thanks for your support.

Ted74, if my post did come across as arrogant my apologies. Text communications leave out so many aspects of communications and very interpretive to tone at times.

I've come across many line pilots at DL while jumpseating and so many have their own perspectives of what one needs to get hired. Good example is one guy told me "a person isn't competitive unless they have 10,000 hrs.", but through research and attending conventions flight time is only a slice of the pie - we like talking about pies don't we .

My .02 worth is just that. I've really been studying this stuff with delta for the last 7 years and very diligently for the past 2.5 years once I caught wind of the onset of hiring, but I have yet to get an invite. I know I'll get my shot one day. I just want to do it before a lot of seniority is lost, but that's the story for me and many many others.

When the day I get an invite occurs I will be ecstatic, because instead of wishing for it, I will have it. Then it's up to me to earn it. Right now I'm at the mercy of the ones doing the selection to find favor on my app while trying to make it look as good as I poss know how.

You are right about one thing. Humbleness is of essence in getting this job at any legacy. Once they are certain of your capabilities, they want to make sure you aren't arrogant or a jerk. We are all humans and put our clothes on essential the same way. Last thing any of us want is someone making a four day miserable.

TenYearsGone

Lear,

PM SENT

Ten

BrasiliaFlyer

I for one didn't take this remark as one of arrogance.

There is tons of speculation, and the stakes are very high. Many of us have worked hard and sacrificed to build our résumés. It's disheartening when someone scores the CJO with qualifications that seem (in one's own mind) equal or less than our own. This creates a kind of paranoia, because not only do you suddenly worry that you have been looked over for some technicality with airlinespps, but you begin to wonder if there's something you missing... some secret part of the vetting process that, if you could only figure it out, would be the key that fits the lock... Volunteer work under education or work experience. Convicted of a misdemeanor for a traffic ticket or no. Work history to college or high school... We've all had this happen to us!
To my knowledge, no one on here knows the secret recipe. Everyone's knowledge is the result of cause and effect, and anyone who has taken a course of epidemiology knows that reverse engineering cause and effect accurately is very difficult, and it's easy to draw a false conclusion.
The bottom line is that Delta knows how to pick successful candidates. They human score applications for a reason. The pass rate is near 80-90% it seems, so Delta knows what they're looking for.
I think this is what Lear700 was referring to. His opinion is as good as anyone else's, except perhaps Gloopy, I think he knows something more.

lear700pilot

I agree with you that Gloopy and several others have posted very helpful information on here. That means a lot.

Also, I don't want anyone thinking I'm giving advice - I don't have the job nor have I received an invite to interview. My comment above about me studying for the past 2.5 years isn't meant to mean I know the system. What have learned is the ones that do know the system are the selection team and they keep it the way they do for a reason.

All I can give is account of what I've learned at the conventions- OBAP and WIA. That information could be gained from others that attended, but if I see something that I remember was mentioned there not on here I just want to provide it. Maybe it helps, maybe it doesn't.

TED74

I don't follow Lear's postings, and the panel won't have a real clue about what his attitude has or hasn't been in the past...nor necessarily care how long he's been in the hold. I'm not judging Lear, and I'm not saying he (or she) is arrogant. I'm just offering a perspective he and anyone else reading can take or leave. One might see arrogance in interpreting on behalf of another poster... or in assuming that they would surely have been competitive under a previous (better?) system, if not now. OR, they might not. I'd recommend reducing risk wherever possible.

I am not proud of my particular qualification to offer this advice. I am a recent hire, having gotten the nod after first getting rejected (but invited back) for a substandard interview the first time through. Friends of friends in positions to know relayed that perceived arrogance might have held me back. I know some spectacular aviators that got similar results. Now, understand that the last thing I am is arrogant (easy for random internet guy to say, I know), but frankly that's irrelevant. All that matters is what three strangers think after 45 minutes of face time.

There's a certain arrogance to being surprised someone thinks you're arrogant, is there not? I grew to realize that and am trying to help others avoid making the mistakes I made. I'm not telling Lear how to post on this thread...just offering food for thought about the interview.

Flycameron

Wow Ted. I do not see why you think because someone says just my .02 cents is such a bad thing? I think that their are a lot of us on the outside looking in and to say just my .02 cents is a great way to throw a clause out their saying he is not in the know so don't criticize him for giving advice.

Leer, please feel free to keep posting your .02 cents because I for one enjoy reading your posts and know that you are one guy that I don't see as arrogant in the least bit. These chat boards can be really harsh sometimes and what is written can often be misconstrued as arrogant at times. Really everyone on here is just giving their .02 cents.

What I can't figure out is why you give .02 cents but only get a penny for your thoughts so who gets the other penny?

AtlCSIP

Probably the IRS.