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Old 01-05-2015, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
IMO that is a HUGE red flag that you can't (makes it look like won't) come up with that info. Late 90's wasn't that long ago. Almost 90% of current legacy pilots were hired during or before that time. It was an airline. You applied. You were hired. You showed up. You suddenly and almost immediately quit. You can bet they want to know about that, and if they find out about it and you didn't tell them about it, that is not a position you want to be in during an interview or even after you are on property at any airline. I'm still not really sure what you're trying to learn from any of this. Are you looking for validation for potentially not complying with what they are asking? Would it make you feel better if instead they were like "nah dawg, its all good brah, 10 years or whatever you can remember, whatevesves, if you fly now all this is just a formality anyway buddy roe! Yuck yuck yuck!" *back slap* Good luck with that I guess. But for now they want it. They expect it. They require it. And that's not likely to change anytime soon. You keep getting caught up in the why. People have tried to answer that for you, but you don't want to accept it because you don't want to do it. I don't know what more anyone can tell you at this point because you're either going to do it or you're not. Unless you changed jobs weekly for 20 years, its really not that hard to get the info together anyway. And if you did change jobs every week for 20 years, well, lol nevermind. They want it on the app. You would be well served to do it if you want the job.
Thanks for your input yo! Yea don't think I'm being "caught up" on what they want but the reason why. IMHO it is ridiculous.and I couldn't imagine having to spend a ton of time if every single company in the world wanted it this way.

Have you ever done contract flying? I not only did it but had a crew leasing company for 4 years. If I had to list every single person I ever flew for I would run out of ink
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
One of my jobs listed was as a glorified janitor, and another a summer stint at a fast food joint in another country. Both a decade further back than you're whinging about. If you're unsure if exact dates or info, put your best memory down and clarify in the interview. I did the same for some 30-year old traffic tickets. Boarding gates are usually on the left side. Why? If you go back I think it's because that's the way you get on a horse. If you want to get that changed, feel free. Oh... And what Albie said.
Wow that's amazing you could remember a traffic ticket from 30 years ago. You must carry a notebook everywhere you go and pencil at the ready.

Hmmm, in the FAA medical it asks you to put down any visits to a medical professional within the last 3 years. Well what about if tomorrow they asked you to list it since age 18, would you suddenly remember that too? I bet you would there wouldn't you (:
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
I know you're trying to keep this positive, but you're thinking about things all wrong. Did I have a few internal 'omg why do i have to do all this' thoughts while going through the application process? Of course, I think we all do. The thing is you're getting all worked up over it, and it's something you can't change so why bother? You might find training to be the same, maybe there will be things that will bother you and you can choose to nod your head, smile and do it like you're told, or you can explain how they're teaching it wrong and why your way is better. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Yes I see what your saying. Trust me I know how to play the game. After working in Japan along with many other places in Asia it's the same attitude without the extensive application!
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Just an outsider, who flies and hires for a manufacturer, if you can't remember an employer from 10-15 years FLYING an airplane for them, that's a HUGE red flag. Anyone applying here has to fill out a complete work history, included any umployed periods back to college. That's pretty standard US corporate ways now. Comply or you won't be looked at virtually anywhere worthwhile. Remember, no interview is going be able to judge " skill at night over West Africa"; they are going judge you by tests, interviews and possibly a sim. Yes, interview skills counts as does appearances. I did a phone interview that went great; solid guy flying at Andrews, Presidential Flight, came to personal interview a week later and feel apart. Ten minutes after walking in, I couldn't wait for it to end for both our sakes. Painful. GF
Why did it fall apart? His personality?
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:14 PM
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I agree Airspeed does the hiring process make sense at Delta Air Lines for a lot of people, No. But it's there company and there process. The process is formed so that people like you who have serious heart burn don't apply. I really don't think you would be happy here. I am sure you are a great pilot and the way it sounds very qualified but the Delta culture may not be one you would fit in. I didn't write this to be sarcastic just a truthful observation.
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Will
I agree Airspeed does the hiring process make sense at Delta Air Lines for a lot of people, No. But it's there company and there process. The process is formed so that people like you who have serious heart burn don't apply. I really don't think you would be happy here. I am sure you are a great pilot and the way it sounds very qualified but the Delta culture may not be one you would fit in. I didn't write this to be sarcastic just a truthful observation.
The purpose of my post was just to try to understand why. I'm not going to get major heartburn over this. If it was like this for every airline, then yea I would dread having to fill out the app.

In Japan to me it was beyond ridiculous. For example I stopped logging my XC time after I got the ATP. I saw no reason for it. Just like simulated instrument time, or solo.

However in the app for the carrier I flew for they wanted to know how many day or night hours you had in a specific airplane, how many night hours XC, how many landings in each model you flew. Hell I've flown close to 65 diff airplanes, I have no idea.

All of us (and we had guys from UAL , CAL and a few others) were like you got to be kidding me

So yes I'll play the game to the best of my memory and ability. Still think it's unnecessary.
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:57 PM
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Over the phone, he was confident, had good answers to basic screening questions about resume, experience. In person, lacked confidence, gave rambling answers, or non-answers. It was as if he was intimidated by the personal interview. Maybe a lack of practice, 22 years of AF time doesn't have many chances at interviewing for jobs.

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Old 01-05-2015, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by airspeed1974
Wow that's amazing you could remember a traffic ticket from 30 years ago. You must carry a notebook everywhere you go and pencil at the ready.

Hmmm, in the FAA medical it asks you to put down any visits to a medical professional within the last 3 years. Well what about if tomorrow they asked you to list it since age 18, would you suddenly remember that too? I bet you would there wouldn't you (:
No notebooks. But with a few moments to sit down with a paper and pen, I'm pretty sure I remembered them all. And I had more than my share.

If you can't remember who wrote you a paycheck in the past 20-30 years, maybe you *should* be talking to your AME.

Nobody's making you write down all this info. It's all voluntary.

So, if you want to rage about seawater being too salty, go right ahead.
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Old 01-05-2015, 05:58 PM
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Dudes (and ladies), it's just like 2 pages ago with someone complaining about putting down accurate flight hours on the app. There are plenty of folks who will take the time to input their stuff as accurate and correct as they can, and they'll be happy to take a DAL line # ahead of you.

I'm all for sport bltching, but we didn't make the rules!
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
No notebooks. But with a few moments to sit down with a paper and pen, I'm pretty sure I remembered them all. And I had more than my share. If you can't remember who wrote you a paycheck in the past 20-30 years, maybe you *should* be talking to your AME. Nobody's making you write down all this info. It's all voluntary. So, if you want to rage about seawater being too salty, go right ahead.
You surely must be a Mensa candidate!! Look brother that's great you can remember who wrote you a paycheck 30 years ago. I have a hard time remembering what city I wake up in after a split week of days and late nights all over Asia.

I know the rules are rules, but man you sure do get defensive. I should speak to my AME because I can't remember as well as you? Are you serious man?

Hmmm, I just recently tried out for San Jose PD. I smoked, and I mean smoked guys 20 years younger on the physical. I got well above 90 on the oral, and I did just fine on the written.

That's great that your living the dream at Delta, but you clearly need some work in the way you talk to others ESP ones you have no idea about

I asked for some commentary on people's thoughts, not personal insults.

It's easy to be a keyboard warrior dude.

Yes, I stand by my idea it's ridiculous. Was just asking those who have MUCH more exp with this then me their opinions. I don't need people telling me how bad my memory is because dude I Prob forgot more than you know!

As some suggested I went and tried to remember back to high school 21 years ago of all the places I worked. I sure as hell won't remember speeding tickets and there was a ton when I was a teen having a 5.0 strang and wild ambitions with little responsibility

Not everyone is the same, not everyone has the same luck, that's called life. Just pls leave the personal insults for over a beer, it's a lot more fun that way!
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