badflaps

You beat me to it. Young Aero is a good troop and I don't want to pick on him.

AeroCrewSolut

You are correct sir. I should of said a set of twins.

atooraya

Threw my app in on airline apps.

College degree and A320 type with 1000+ hours in the A320 and 4000 in RJs but no PIC.


Will I ever get a call? What else needs to be done?

GSSTEP

Hey I rarely post…received a CJO this week. Application in for over 18 months. "Fix it" email received last December. Mil with nine internal recs (5 CAs, 4 FOs). I know it sounds like just so much noise…but hang in there…and be ready when the email comes.

Will

Get some PIC time, it really is that important now. I have heard without PIC time it is extremely difficult to get enough points to pass the interview.

I believe that is why some of the LLC's are more likely to hire somebody without PIC time than with. They now you are going to stick around longer and not by choice .

Spudhauler

Not quite. It will be extremely difficult to get enough points to get the interview without PIC time. Once you get the invite, passing it is based on your interview skills, personality, etc.

Oberon

While some places don't offer the opportunities that others may there are still ways to improve your resume without upgrading.

Apply for every position that comes up; safety department, CPO, training, etc. Even if you don't get hired the fact that you applied shows you are interested which may help you with a more desirable position later on.

Volunteer with ALPA; find a nonpolitical job you are interested in and work your way up to a leadership position. Those jobs cycle pretty frequently because they pretty much suck but they allow you to put a leadership position on your resume without upgrading.

Call Habitat for Humanity and help build a few houses. Delta partners with Habitat and the interviewers have probably helped build a house. This is a good topic to establish rapport should you land an interview.

There are a lot of ways to pad your application. Most people will have PIC and a lot of flight time but only a few will have leadership positions and volunteer experience. There are probably more areas you could improve you application without upgrading.

I was fortunate to have a contractual path to Delta but I used everything I mentioned above to improve my resume for my backup plan. I can't say with any certainty whether it would have helped but it certainly didn't hurt and only cost time.

crflyer

You say it like people can just go out and get it tomorrow. Not everyone chases upgrades around, starting at the bottom over and over again.

Roper92

I'm sure he's aware of that. He's probably speaking to the ones who bypass their upgrade for QOL reasons like commuting, sitting on reserve, etc.. There is plenty of useful info on this thread. You can't control everything (like an upgrade for PIC time), but you can control things like volunteer work, advanced degrees, extra-curricular activities within the company and/or union and networking. If you have all of those boxes checked, then you're probably in the queue to be invited to an interview. If not, then fill in the blanks.

Timbo

As Oprah Winfrey said,

"Never underestimate the persuasive powers of oral sex..."