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Old 10-12-2014, 02:23 PM
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Could anybody please list the ER destinations from jfk, thank you.
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
And the reason why nobody will bid into those opening is because the fleet is shrinking and nobody wants to be junior on a shrinking fleet, especially the ER. Look at the trips the junior guys get, especially in NYC. No thanks.
I suspect the big reason NYC is junior is location. Take a look at all positions in NY. I don't think it has to do with the shrinking fleet. They put 60 new hires on the aircraft in 07. Many were displaced off the aircraft yet came back to it the first chance they got. NY is a junior base period on all fleets. Always has been and always will be.
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The fleet is not scheduled to be dead until 2027. There is a reduction in the domestic flying until we reach 74 domestic 757's. The fleet will be stable for 3 to 4 years after that. Most of the openings are FO's upgrading to CA.


FWIW it was recently put out at the LAX uprising, I mean LAX FLT Ops base visit, that the target number for 757s is 90 + 10 for a total of 100.

The 90 are 757s that we will be keeping. The 10 are for 757s that we are selling to the NBA for charters, but which we will be operating.

Then again that was 13 days ago so who knows what the "current" plan is.

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Old 10-12-2014, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jetdriven
Could anybody please list the ER destinations from jfk, thank you.
Off the top of my head. ACC, DKR, BOG, MEX, PRG, BRU, CDG, AMS, FRA, FCO, CPH, LHR, DUB, HNL, SEA, SFO, LAX, SAN, LSV, SXM, STT, ATL, SVO, VCE, IST, SNN, NCE, MAD, BCN, ZRH and lots of FL. Mil charters also show up to the Middle East and some Stan or another.

SOME ARE SEASONAL AND THE FO's sometimes have some long rent a FO trips to other locations like the Pacific.
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I suspect the big reason NYC is junior is location. Take a look at all positions in NY. I don't think it has to do with the shrinking fleet. They put 60 new hires on the aircraft in 07. Many were displaced off the aircraft yet came back to it the first chance they got. NY is a junior base period on all fleets. Always has been and always will be.
How junior are other bases for the ER? Could a newbie get to ATL or DTW pretty quickly, and would that be much different QOL from NYC ER?
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Old 10-12-2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
How junior are other bases for the ER? Could a newbie get to ATL or DTW pretty quickly?
Short answer.....YES.

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...and would that be much different QOL from NYC ER?
Dependent on more factors than just base. (Not to state the obvious.)
1) Where you commute from?
2) ATL/DTW only cover one airport, vs. NYC covering three.
3) International/Domestic trip coverage
4) Etc.
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Old 10-12-2014, 05:41 PM
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OK, I'll bite. I start Indoc soon and am a newly retired mil pilot. I have zero 121 (or any other civil) experience. I DO, however, have extensive experience crossing the ocean (all of them) with ACARS and CPDLC. I have flown into the busiest airports in the world and to every continent except Antartica. I find it very condescending when people assume that just because someone is a 'newhire' or a military pilot just entering the commercial world that they are somehow inept or dangerous.
I've had similar experiences with some Capts. Shortly after I finished OE, I had a 2.5 hour layover with a guy after the 1st leg of our trip (a deadhead). He decided he would spend the next 2 hours "teaching" me how to run operations. He started the conversation telling me how much catching up I had to do, how much better RJ pilots are at the ops at this stage in the game, etc. I politely smiled, nodded, and listened intently. Then, when it came to running the next couple of legs, getting my job done and helping him do his job, I killed it. He told me at the end of the trip I was probably one of the best Military guys he's flown with, "even better than some RJ guys".

I guess the morale is: bury your pride, do a damn good job and prove to them that mil guys are just as good.

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Old 10-12-2014, 07:43 PM
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I've had similar experiences with some Capts. Shortly after I finished OE, I had a 2.5 hour layover with a guy after the 1st leg of our trip (a deadhead). He decided he would spend the next 2 hours "teaching" me how to run operations. He started the conversation telling me how much catching up I had to do, how much better RJ pilots are at the ops at this stage in the game, etc. I politely smiled, nodded, and listened intently. Then, when it came to running the next couple of legs, getting my job done and helping him do his job, I killed it. He told me at the end of the trip I was probably one of the best Military guys he's flown with, "even better than some RJ guys".

I guess the morale is: bury your pride, do a damn good job and prove to them that mil guys are just as good.

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Old 10-12-2014, 07:49 PM
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Anyone get an invite this week for an interview?
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I suspect the big reason NYC is junior is location. Take a look at all positions in NY. I don't think it has to do with the shrinking fleet. They put 60 new hires on the aircraft in 07. Many were displaced off the aircraft yet came back to it the first chance they got. NY is a junior base period on all fleets. Always has been and always will be.
The shrinking fleet does play into it. Over the last few AEs, I've had close to 40-50 guys senior to me bid out, yet the overall category pilot count has shrunk by that many so my relative position has stayed the same. NYC88A plug is now junior to me and I've gone back and forth over the QOL/pay question. Looks like either way I get to mess with noobs though!
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