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Old 06-26-2014, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Jeesh, you're like my other Captains ....

"Already done Sir, but I can re-accomplish if you would like me to."
I must apologize. I thought you were saying that they were hiring more than DAL was.

So this again leads me to say whoGAS about any of this? This is not our problem. (I am not even convinced it even IS a problem) But if you and Mesabah want to wrap yourselves around the axle about this, I will politely decline to participate. I would rather fix myself a cocktail with a little umbrella in it and watch the show. (The DCI show)
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NERD
BFD! Delta will bleed theirs dry too. If so many 9e pilots are heading to greener pastures, what is wrong with you? You claim to be some sort of successful businessman, yet are still at 9e and more importantly on this web board full of butthurt.
I have been wondering the same thing. You expressed it much better than I could have.
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NERD
BFD! Delta will bleed theirs dry too. If so many 9e pilots are heading to greener pastures, what is wrong with you? You claim to be some sort of successful businessman, yet are still at 9e and more importantly on this web board full of butthurt.
Well, I don't fly very much, work at a computer all day mostly. I have three screens, the first two screens are work, the third is multiple forums. Just calling the industry as I see. If you knew me, and my background you would understand. My family has been in aviation since the Wright brothers days. My posts are not butthurt, they simply sound that way because it's in text, and not me speaking to you.
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And that 5 year period didn't apply to everyone??? OK then... define "bottom"
You get an extra 5 years as an ER captain. I get an extra 5 years as a reserve narrowobody FO. I will retire at 65 and have the same number of years as a CA as I would have had, had the retirement age stayed at 60.

Everyone has had some sort of crap sandwich the last 10 years. I didn't lose my retirement, you did. You didn't get an extra 5 years on reserve as a narrowbody FO, I did. Newhires getting hired right now will be captains in 7 years and retire with millions of dollars so they all suck the most.
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Old 06-26-2014, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
You get an extra 5 years as an ER captain. I get an extra 5 years as a reserve narrowobody FO. I will retire at 65 and have the same number of years as a CA as I would have had, had the retirement age stayed at 60.

Everyone has had some sort of crap sandwich the last 10 years. I didn't lose my retirement, you did. You didn't get an extra 5 years on reserve as a narrowbody FO, I did. Newhires getting hired right now will be captains in 7 years and retire with millions of dollars so they all suck the most.
Well, the man did say it was all about timing.....
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
My guess is that the small jet carriers walk away from Delta after the rate reset, and takes their pilots with them. Chataqua already is walking, Compass is walking soon, ASA/SKY is on the ropes, Gojets will collapse on its own, so will Endeavor. Endeavor is losing 2 pilots a day, with no let up in sight.
Walk away where though? Other than SKYW's pathetic mainline wanna be IndyAir2.0 fantasy, where are they going to go? CPZ isn't going anywhere. They just snapped up an RFP that they may or may not be able to staff. If they can staff it, the only reason is the DL flow that is attracting applicants for the massive guaranteed attrition, with the additional benefit of a guaranteed interview and growth, yet the growth depends on controlling the attrition.

GoJets has been pretty quiet through all of this though. Makes you wonder what's going on there.
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Old 06-27-2014, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy

Everyone has had some sort of crap sandwich the last 10 years. I didn't lose my retirement, you did. You didn't get an extra 5 years on reserve as a narrowbody FO, I did. Newhires getting hired right now will be captains in 7 years and retire with millions of dollars so they all suck the most.
But not everyone had some sort of crap sandwich, and that's the rub. The guys who were approaching 60 when the rule changed, and in that sweet spot we all look forward to, where you're senior on your retirement equipment flying STR every Tuesday, they got a bonus 5 years. The rest of us stagnated, or actually went backwards, for 5 years.

But at least we have 117 to keep us rested and refreshed now.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
You get an extra 5 years as an ER captain. I get an extra 5 years as a reserve narrowobody FO. I will retire at 65 and have the same number of years as a CA as I would have had, had the retirement age stayed at 60.

Everyone has had some sort of crap sandwich the last 10 years. I didn't lose my retirement, you did. You didn't get an extra 5 years on reserve as a narrowbody FO, I did. Newhires getting hired right now will be captains in 7 years and retire with millions of dollars so they all suck the most.
A lot of new hires right now spent their extra 5 years in an rj. The lucky ones are the guys getting hired in their mid 20's who never even had to fly as a captain.
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:23 AM
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Anyone know how hiring went this week? Anyone get an email for an interview?
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
You get an extra 5 years as an ER captain. I get an extra 5 years as a reserve narrowobody FO. I will retire at 65 and have the same number of years as a CA as I would have had, had the retirement age stayed at 60.

Everyone has had some sort of crap sandwich the last 10 years. I didn't lose my retirement, you did. You didn't get an extra 5 years on reserve as a narrowbody FO, I did. Newhires getting hired right now will be captains in 7 years and retire with millions of dollars so they all suck the most.
Again, the woe is me stuff is getting tiring. You wanna have a Johnson measuring contest? I spent almost 6 years throwing switches on the 727. I was fortunate. Some of my contemporaries were furloughed that entire time. I'm not complaining about any of that mind you, I have had a pretty blessed career, but everytime I see guys bringing up that extra 5 year crap it just gets a little under my skin. Yes, we all had a bite of a not so tasty sandwich. Stop telling everybody how bad yours was. (And this is not aimed at you in particular)
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