Originally Posted by tsquare

All that other stuff you are railing about is minutae that will have to be worked out between dALPA and management. And I couldn't care less about Barry Wilbur.

Originally Posted by gloopy

A Pinnacle pilot is 100% separate until that pilot gets a seniority number at DL and shows up on property. Their longevity will reset 100% as it should.

To get to this point, even for the extremely privlidged and lucky among us, takes a lot of work and a lot of years. Is it "fair" that a military or corporate pilot (or ALPA pilot at a United regional…or even United mainline) should have to start over if they come to DL even though a ramp agent transferred? Yes, it is.

Even if the "Sweet spot" of the group is 76 CA as you've said (and it very well may be, who knows) you're not going to find any support to retroactively grandfather regional pilots with their original DOH for anything. Trying to "me too" it off the rampers isn't going to work. Even if we did, so "new hire" classes are full of some guys at top scale pay and others at new hire pay? Even internal DL employees have to start over with pay when becomming pilots. There is no way regional FO's are going to walk into class day one top scale with 5 weeks vaca and 270 hours sick time.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

You refer to yourself as a "dead zoner."

One guy's dead zone matters as much to him as the other guy's does to him.

Originally Posted by tsquare

*sarcasm alert* I hope Carl makes $1000/hour next contract, because.. well.. he makes so much money for the company, and he deserves it.

Originally Posted by tsquare

A new hire has no dead zone.

Originally Posted by tsquare

Longevity based pay. Start there.

And there is a difference between doing "the right thing", and throwing yourself on a grenade. We are not at war. We have all been dealt cards of varying nature. At this point I have to worry about rebuilding my retirement. Young guys are gonna have a great one unless they get fired. I am not gonna throw myself on the grenade of paying for RJ flying just so Mesabah can move over here and jump right into the left seat of a C series airplane. Sorry. If that is being selfish, then so be it. Why don't you ax him to throw himself on a grenade so that I can retire with something close to what I was promised when I got here 20+ years ago? Why doesn't all this big talk of unity work in that direction?

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Despite these distinctions, we agree completely on what needs to happen. Part of the reason your posts have not been responded to as much as TSquare's is agreement with your points.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Because falling on my career sword, means I fly the C series, and larger here at 9E, rather than mainline.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

We need better coverage for inpatient mental health treatment services ...