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Old 06-16-2014, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dtwlandlord
Spoke with a dl FO the other day who told me that initial training on the ER is probably the most difficult in the fleet due to the international ops. Someone else once told me the ER was like having to learn 4 different airplanes. After being a silent daily reader on these Delta threads for the past several months, my 7/7 classdate is approaching, and I'm torn between the ER possibility, and a more reasonable choice of the 717 or bus, which would possibly offer me a smoother training transition from my current equipment. Any comments?
With a good attitude training at Delta is easy. If you've survived an E120 or similar turboprop, you'll find anything at Delta very pleasant by comparison.

Learn to nod your head up and down while saying "thank you, I will do that" and life is easy. Begin any sentence with "but I thought..." and life is hard. Like any other airline whether international or domestic.

FWIW, the 767 is the easiest airplane to fly I've ever enjoyed.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:59 AM
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In some regards the 757 and 767 are totally different airplanes (electrics -- some are ETOPS and have more stuff, hydraulics definitely.) But the nice the about Delta training is that they pair down to "need to know" items, not PhD -level systems knowledge like my previous carriers.

Put too many penguins on the iceberg, and some fall off.

Now that we're down to one(ish) FMS life is a lot easier. Turning on the radar and terrain, OTOH, that's sometimes a challenge.
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
In some regards the 757 and 767 are totally different airplanes (electrics -- some are ETOPS and have more stuff, hydraulics definitely.) But the nice the about Delta training is that they pair down to "need to know" items, not PhD -level systems knowledge like my previous carriers.

Put too many penguins on the iceberg, and some fall off.

Now that we're down to one(ish) FMS life is a lot easier. Turning on the radar and terrain, OTOH, that's sometimes a challenge.
They seem like awesome airplanes for sure, probably the most raved about after the 777, and I like that training philosophy. Its sad to see the demise of the the 757 in NYC, but like all Boeings, it served its duty well and its time to move on to the latest technological marvel, the 737-900 .
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Old 06-16-2014, 07:55 AM
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The 7ER training footprint has changed. You'll do international stuff in the 1st, 2nd and 4th week of aircraft specific training. TOE follows follows domestic IOE and you're not signed off till it's all done. Loving every second of the process so far.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
They seem like awesome airplanes for sure, probably the most raved about after the 777, and I like that training philosophy. Its sad to see the demise of the the 757 in NYC, but like all Boeings, it served its duty well and its time to move on to the latest technological marvel, the 737-900 .
The 757 will be alive and well in NYC for many years to come. Just put a bunch of money into them for NYC transcons.
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 757 will be alive and well in NYC for many years to come. Just put a bunch of money into them for NYC transcons.
Why is the fleet shrinking in NYC? Arent they moving them slowly to ATL?
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Old 06-16-2014, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The 757 will be alive and well in NYC for many years to come. Just put a bunch of money into them for NYC transcons.
Just flew the second one converted to the full lie flats. Interesting setup. You still have to crawl over the aisle seat from the window seat. The forward lav has a gotcha. If the cockpit door is left opened when someone is in the lav, (say for the PDP,) then you cannot open the lav door from inside the lav because it wedges against the cockpit door. However, there is a cool "no touch" flush electronic eye setup. Wonder how long it will take for that thing to break.
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Old 06-16-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
Why is the fleet shrinking in NYC? Arent they moving them slowly to ATL?
I think its shrinking because its just shrinking.

Not sure about the asset swap to ATL or not, but the planes themselves, mostly the 757's for now, will be going away at a fairly significant rate satrting pretty soon.

Its great for the short end of long range thin markets, but those have fallen out of favor lately and now it seems its all moving to an increase in fewer over all jumbos to CDG/AMS/LHR and onto our partners from there.

Normally being in a dying fleet is chock full of negatives, but if hiring and retirement attrition can keep up they way its been going, that part of the experience may be significantly mitigated.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
Why is the fleet shrinking in NYC? Arent they moving them slowly to ATL?
I am not really sure what your asking. There is no fleet assigned to NYC. If you are referencing the size of the 7ER base in NYC it has seemed to be relatively stable. 757's are being retired and system wide block hours will come down but it should be spread fairly evenly around the categories in all bases.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Just flew the second one converted to the full lie flats. Interesting setup. You still have to crawl over the aisle seat from the window seat. The forward lav has a gotcha. If the cockpit door is left opened when someone is in the lav, (say for the PDP,) then you cannot open the lav door from inside the lav because it wedges against the cockpit door. However, there is a cool "no touch" flush electronic eye setup. Wonder how long it will take for that thing to break.
The FWD Lav has always been that way on the 757.
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