gloopy

LOL exactly. Some call it th ERINO (ER in name only). Part of the bias towards is by newbies compared to other places like someone mentioned perhaps stems from residual inertia from when the ER was, well, the ER.

When the fleet was divided, the ER sub-category/list was pure gentleman's flying, all the time, every time. For a while the worst you could get was an extremely commutable 2 man DUB 24 hour party town layo with 2 legs 3 over days that only paid 14-15 hours. Now its mostly domestic, with the remaining international going fairly senior, and its added a lot of less desireable international to the malaria belt and MEX and a LOT of domestic red eyes (even some intl red eyes too) and early AM shows, etc.

It still contains the prime flying though, and some junior people get it some of the time. The fact remains though, there is a very good reason why 12,000 other pilots already here could have those plug positions but choose not to.

Dirtdiver

The worst trips in any category are flown by jr lineholders. Reserves will actually see a mix of trips. Just luck of the draw based on sick outs and whether someone gets the good stuff on a white slip before they get down to reserves.

scambo1

the best trips in any category go to the most senior guys and the most junior guys (after the senior guys sickout).

Alan Shore

A do not disregard the ability for a reserve to YS the good trips. It might get him out of the crash pad sooner, keep him off of short call, and avoid more bad trips.

tsquare

It's expensive, but very pretty. Yeah I guess I better enjoy it while I still can.

P8ASW

I have been studying a bunch hoping for an interview with Delta. Does anyone have any gouge for the job skills test? I've seen the study outline from Delta, is there anything else more specific?

If you've taken the test, would be interested in hearing about your experience and where to target my studying.

Appreciate any help.

Thanks!

ghilis101

yes PM me I can get you up to speed on the process

dtwlandlord

Spoke with a dl FO the other day who told me that initial training on the ER is probably the most difficult in the fleet due to the international ops. Someone else once told me the ER was like having to learn 4 different airplanes. After being a silent daily reader on these Delta threads for the past several months, my 7/7 classdate is approaching, and I'm torn between the ER possibility, and a more reasonable choice of the 717 or bus, which would possibly offer me a smoother training transition from my current equipment. Any comments?

Alan Shore

Having flown the 7ER at Delta for ten years, I would disagree with the assertion that it's like learning four different airplanes. Delta does a good job breaking it down such that you learn a single airplane (the 757-200), get checked out on that, and then learn the slight differences between that and the other models (757-300, 767-300, and 767-300ER). None of these differences is enough to make anyone's head spin.

Int'l ops training, too, is done separately. You learn the domestic side first, then go on your domestic OE, and then come back to learn int'l ops in the 7ER and go on your TOE. It's a longer footprint, but they do a good job getting you through it.

Certainly more to learn, but highly doable and well worth it, IMO.

PS, someone please speak up if the training footprint has changed such that what I posted is no longer correct.

ghilis101

I'll see you in class! Please take the ER and leave the airbus for me please . I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. Ive spent the last 7 years flying internationally in a Boeing, I would skate through 7ER training. Ironically, I will initially struggle with domestic ops in a narrowbody flying multiple legs with really short turns, my head will be on fire, but you'd find that to be extremely easy since youre good at it. With that being said, I wouldn't NOT bid the 7ER because of international ops, you can learn that stuff in a week, and a couple trips on OE will take care of everything. I'd be more concerned with how junior youre going to be on the 7ER with no possibility of holding a line in sight. You will definitely get a line within months on the 717 or the airbus. My buddy is 2 months off OE with a line on the bus in ny, 2 weekends off, 16 days off. Summer lines are an anomaly of course, but still, you wont be seeing that on the ER.