gloopy

I agree that it sucks and I don't like it one bit. And I appreciate sharper guys like yourself being vigilant in an industry that is rife with slippery slopes.

I don't want to minimize what happened with this and I want it remedied via ALPA if possible and via other avenues if not, but I don't think we should side the slippery slope trend vector to the worst possible conclusion as if its an fate sealed inevitability. Every time we take the runway and power up, the trend vector implies that we will be going mach 20 by the time we get to destination, and every time we slow 10 knots it means we are on the path to a catestrophic stall. Those rates of acceleration don't continue for very long of course, so while we need to monitor the trend vector, we have to look at it in its totality and logical/inevitable conclusions.

Not to mention, PCL doesn't own a single seat or block minute of DL flying as soon as their contract is up. DL management will see to that, assuming someone else is willing to underbid them, which is a pretty safe assumption.

In any case even if we don't attempt to touch the 40 jets they fly for the next 7 years or whatever their duration is, there an awful lot of large RJ's beyond what they fly that we will have to go after first either way and I hope we do.

Bucking Bar

Gloopy thank you for your post and for not taking offense at mine.

It is hoped we will find a way to recover and unify our flying.

gloopy

Not so sure about that. DL management with DALPA's contractual permission has favored IBT and non union shops over ALPA DCI carriers many times without a peep from ALPA beyond the toothless DCI fake anti whipsaw meetings. SKYW, inc. "owned" a far greater share for an even longer time of likewise permitted outsource DCI flying, plus gates, in a deal directly with DL management.

ITSALLGOOD

[QUOTE=buzzpat;1542550]Happily, no.

And being LA-based, I fly with lots of libs. Those SEA and PDX commuters are wacky!

Delta's not like that. Plenty of diversity in its causes.

I have only flown with a couple of those self declared Dems. Both great guys and enjoyable to fly with. After a little cordial political discussion on the individual issues, it became clear their party affiliation was strongly influenced by the union Vs management debate. They were pretty conservative on fiscal issues.

As to the original question, I've found the company and the pilot group to be very welcoming to all political persuasions...but yes, a lot more foxnews guys than MSNBC among the aviators.

John Carr

I guess. Contrary to what some might think, this ISN'T the military. Moak ISN'T a CO or the CIC. We are allowed to criticize the manager at the business of ALPA. One that collects our dues ya know.

Also, he's agreed to more things that were detrimental than his predecessor. And the predecessor before that can't REALLY be criticized in many objective ways as he was in charge during the BK era.

TeddyKGB

[QUOTE=ITSALLGOOD;1542889]Most Dems I know are very mostly conservative on the fiscal issues. It's the social issues that swings them left of center. If the GOP could compromise on guns, abortion, gays, etc, etc, I'm sure they would win the next election. When far right whack jobs like Rush, Glen & Hannity speak for the right, it's a loosing cause.

ShyGuy

So basically compromise every belief that makes the foundation of a good conservative base? That's what I call a RINO. And yes Rush/Glen/Hannity are idiots. They do not speak for mainstream right; I categorize them in the far right/extreme/crazy category.

Oberon

[QUOTE=Delta1067;1543366]
If the GOP compromised on social issues they would lose every election in a landslide. Their fiscal policy is detrimental to a majority of social issue voters. Social issues are the glue that holds the party together.

I'm guessing most of the "Dems" you know are solidly in the upper socioeconomic class since people of that class tend to associate with one another. I categorize myself the same way, for what it's worth. We tend to be insulated from the lower ends of society that benefit from the social welfare programs that "fiscal issues" pay for. If one doesn't have a conduit to the beneficiaries of these programs it is difficult to sympathize with them and discounting the effectiveness of programs becomes easy. I'm on a bit of a tangent but my point is that a lot of recipients and supporters of social welfare programs are primarily social issue voters.

Full disclosure. I consider myself fiscally and socially liberal for different reasons. I find value in helping those who need it and think the government is an effective way to administer needed help so I don't mind paying taxes to do it. I understand that the government has inefficiencies and waste but am willing to accept that in exchange for the services rendered. I'm socially liberal because I think everyone should have a fair shake in life and think the playing field should be level for all.

I'm also a gun enthusiast who thinks sensible gun control laws would reduce gun deaths in this country.

And I'm reading this thread because I have an interest in Delta Hiring. See you in the crew room. I don't talk about politics at work!

TeddyKGB

Call it what you want. You have both extremes, far left/right. Both sides equally whacked BTW. It's all about finding common ground and the majority wins and rules. Mainstream America has proven over and over that it doesn't what a far right nut job like Rick Santorm who would welcome his raped daughters child as a "gift from god" as opposed to having her have the option to abort it. Same thing with these new 3D, invisible to security, guns. The far right NRA disciples will fight tooth and nail to prevent any control or restrictions on them what so ever. Redneck America will continue to shoot themselves in the foot over social issues. Ironically, FOX news plays 24/7 in Delta pilot lounges. I'm a little right of center and will walk out before I sit down and watch that nonsense. Politics are broken in this country and whoever wins 1/2 the people are ****ed off. I can live with either side in office and don't get too wrapped up over politics and religion. You don't have to compromise every belief to find some common ground shy. Happy Holidays all!!

Beer Man

Sorry to interrupt this intriguing debate but anybody have anything productive to add to Delta's hiring information?

Are they done with interviews for the year? Anybody have an invite in January?