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12-18-2013, 06:06 AM
#2931
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It seems the common denominator is multiple letters of rec.
I only have one letter of rec. and I've been updating my app every month since 2010 but still no call. I know it's only the bottom the first inning in the hiring game but what other items could one do to get moved to the top of the stack?
12-18-2013, 06:57 AM
#2932
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12-18-2013, 07:00 AM
#2933
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There are also many other potential merger examples where having more that that number of seats would still end up looking way, way more like staple or even pref interviews than a walk on full relative +/- 3% scenario.
12-18-2013, 07:05 AM
#2934
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It seems the common denominator is multiple letters of rec.
I only have one letter of rec. and I've been updating my app every month since 2010 but still no call. I know it's only the bottom the first inning in the hiring game but what other items could one do to get moved to the top of the stack?
I only have one letter of rec. and I've been updating my app every month since 2010 but still no call. I know it's only the bottom the first inning in the hiring game but what other items could one do to get moved to the top of the stack?
Network. Update. Differentiate. Prepare.
12-18-2013, 07:16 AM
#2935
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Not true. I'll send you a PM and respect this thread's topic.
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12-18-2013, 07:55 AM
#2936
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Not true.
ASA had it's own code, marketing and codeshare arrangements outside of Delta. It had no limits what so ever on flights it operated under it's code (which was all of them prior to acquisition by Delta). The company was looking at 737's and DC9's. When Delta made it clear they did not want a 737/DC9 competitor in it's back yard some of ASA's management split off to continue that goal ... creating Val-U-Jet.
In rough terms, ASA retired it's ~120 seat jet due to operational problems with the type. That left 34, 50 and 66 seat aircraft. Prior to ASA's acquisition mainline MECs obtained removal of the alter ego protections in ALPA's managing documents. Management acquired ASA and Comair, had no contractual requirements to merge them and ALPA no longer recognized these wholly owned divisions of Delta as alter ego carriers. Thousands of jobs were transferred to the lower cost alter ego replacements and Delta pilots were furloughed (rinse, wash, repeat for NWA).
Disunity hurt everyone, but most of all it harmed the Delta pilots who were furloughed and suffered stagnation.It was not good for Delta's customers either.Or shareholders ... and this is after most of a 10 Billion dollar aircraft order was pumped into ASA and Comair.
It is a much more fair system is we all move up together and we all move down together. Transferring jobs to the cheapest make it difficult for us to maintain our standards.
ASA had it's own code, marketing and codeshare arrangements outside of Delta. It had no limits what so ever on flights it operated under it's code (which was all of them prior to acquisition by Delta). The company was looking at 737's and DC9's. When Delta made it clear they did not want a 737/DC9 competitor in it's back yard some of ASA's management split off to continue that goal ... creating Val-U-Jet.
In rough terms, ASA retired it's ~120 seat jet due to operational problems with the type. That left 34, 50 and 66 seat aircraft. Prior to ASA's acquisition mainline MECs obtained removal of the alter ego protections in ALPA's managing documents. Management acquired ASA and Comair, had no contractual requirements to merge them and ALPA no longer recognized these wholly owned divisions of Delta as alter ego carriers. Thousands of jobs were transferred to the lower cost alter ego replacements and Delta pilots were furloughed (rinse, wash, repeat for NWA).
Disunity hurt everyone, but most of all it harmed the Delta pilots who were furloughed and suffered stagnation.It was not good for Delta's customers either.Or shareholders ... and this is after most of a 10 Billion dollar aircraft order was pumped into ASA and Comair.
It is a much more fair system is we all move up together and we all move down together. Transferring jobs to the cheapest make it difficult for us to maintain our standards.
My core point still stands though. They weren't part of our list when they operated larger RJ's and they aren't now, even if they were to somehow get one. Which they can't anyway at this point. Some regionals may be able to employ the "seperate certificate trick" and get something larger, but seperate from risking an almost inevitable crushing response from management, that still won't get them on our list. Nor should it. Outsourcine is a mainline problem and we have to fix it by tightening scope.
Idealism aside, we are simply not a single contract or LoA away from one final scope solution. We will have to chip away at what has occured under less watchful eyes in the past. The first thing we need to get back are the 90 seaters restricted to 76 seats. Even that may take a while, due to apathy among our own if nothing else, but that is the first order of business. The rest will simply have to wait. The day of 50 seat drivers being able to take their DoH/longevity to mainline will frankly never come.
12-18-2013, 08:07 AM
#2937
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Gloopy,
I was going to try and not hold this debate here. PM sent, or we can start another thread.
Regards,
BB
I was going to try and not hold this debate here. PM sent, or we can start another thread.
Regards,
BB
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 12-18-2013 at 08:25 AM.
12-18-2013, 08:31 AM
#2938
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Gloopy,
I was going to try and not hold this debate here. But, lets look at Robert Priddy's other airline, AirTran.
Should Southwest's pilots have proactively re-written their contract to exclude 717's and allowed management to operate it as a low cost alter-ego?
Our association has sought ways to divide our pilots rather than unify them. Even after thousands of Delta pilots were furloughed and many more stagnated, you and other like minded individuals hold to the arbitrary constructs which divide us.
Understand, ALPA's leaders have made it very difficult to recapture scope (by ALPA, APA, DPA or anyone else). Compass's inclusion in our representative structure provided justification for 76 seat flying to be within the "class and craft" of Delta flying. As a result, Compass was ejected tout de suite.
We have decided whether to be unified with, or compete with, express carriers using the measure of one seat. It is unfair, illogical, harmful to our profession and something we as professionals and good union members should work to resolve. We should want to fix this for Delta pilots.
... and another thing. Delta's had a revolving door of managers, gate agents, GSE people in and out of their express subsidiaries, nearly all of whom have kept their longevity (not seniority). Is it fair that only pilots lose their longevity while being employed from one subsidiary to another? Isn't it fair to treat pilots at least as well as rampers?
I was going to try and not hold this debate here. But, lets look at Robert Priddy's other airline, AirTran.
Should Southwest's pilots have proactively re-written their contract to exclude 717's and allowed management to operate it as a low cost alter-ego?
Our association has sought ways to divide our pilots rather than unify them. Even after thousands of Delta pilots were furloughed and many more stagnated, you and other like minded individuals hold to the arbitrary constructs which divide us.
Understand, ALPA's leaders have made it very difficult to recapture scope (by ALPA, APA, DPA or anyone else). Compass's inclusion in our representative structure provided justification for 76 seat flying to be within the "class and craft" of Delta flying. As a result, Compass was ejected tout de suite.
We have decided whether to be unified with, or compete with, express carriers using the measure of one seat. It is unfair, illogical, harmful to our profession and something we as professionals and good union members should work to resolve. We should want to fix this for Delta pilots.
... and another thing. Delta's had a revolving door of managers, gate agents, GSE people in and out of their express subsidiaries, nearly all of whom have kept their longevity (not seniority). Is it fair that only pilots lose their longevity while being employed from one subsidiary to another? Isn't it fair to treat pilots at least as well as rampers?
I agree that we need inclusion and I'm against the outsourcing schemes. I just don't see any type of day one final solution being possible, and even an attempt at such could trigger another PID/seniority grab with at least an attempt to get a bite at binding arbitration where who knows what may happen.
I want all the planes in our system on our list, but its going to have to start by reducing large RJ's and getting those jobs, as new hire positions, on our own mainline. At this point, flows and interviews with a DoH/longevity reset are all any DCI pilot can expect to be possible. The only chance for what you advocate was back in 2001 and, while there is certainlly blame to go around at the mainline level, the regionals drastically and arrogantly over played their hand and subsequently sealed their collective fate. At this point their only hope at preserving DoH/longevity at a mainline is to go IndyAir and defy the astronomical odds against them.
12-18-2013, 09:42 AM
#2939
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Not that I disagree with you ('cause I don't!) but this sounds eerily like the "If you don't like it.............quit" argument that normally gets roundly bashed on the L & G thread.
Hey! Just tryin' to stir the pot a little!!
Denny
12-18-2013, 10:39 AM
#2940
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It seems the common denominator is multiple letters of rec.
I only have one letter of rec. and I've been updating my app every month since 2010 but still no call. I know it's only the bottom the first inning in the hiring game but what other items could one do to get moved to the top of the stack?
I only have one letter of rec. and I've been updating my app every month since 2010 but still no call. I know it's only the bottom the first inning in the hiring game but what other items could one do to get moved to the top of the stack?
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