Bucking Bar

I'd guess those CS employees were not given a quarter billion dollar production facility with dozen or so direct employees, hundred or so indirect employees and a $16,000 an hour operational cost, which can be cut off from communications with the rest of the Company and a 2.5 to 5 billion dollar potential liability exposure. That's the job being staffed.

As a profession, we should seek to raise the standards of our profession. The job easily justifies the standard which has been historically applied for flag carriers.

John Carr

I'm not sure how in ANY way, shape, or form what you're saying above translates into;

1)How being a customer service rep makes for a better/more desired pilot OR

2) How a college graduate somehow magically understands customer service?

Sorry, you're normally a pretty smart guy, but your post seems pretty far off from what was being discussed.

Bucking Bar

John,

Sorry to disappoint you. I am against lowering the standard which has historically been applied to flag carriers. I am particularly against preferences being given to some ALPA members over other ALPA members on the basis of pay concessions.

There would seem to be a whole host of common sense reasons for not wanting to lower the standards of our profession. Certainly one reason we can likely agree on is that lowering standards make it more difficult to justify the pay we negotiate.

John Carr

And I AGREE WITH ALL THAT.

I just can't understand how you meshed an employee that serves in a customer service role like FA, or gate/ticket agen being a good candidate, but somehow a college graduate understands customer service where you believe that can't be learned elsewhere, and how that ALL ties into the situation you outlined where they'd be in charge of a massive operation with hundreds of employees and a 5 figure an hour operating cost that could have communication cut off? (Holy run on sentence Batman!!!)

Sorry, like I said, not sure how you pulled ALL THAT from what was the pretty obvious flow of discussion.

Annnyyyyyyyyywaaaaaaaaaaaaysssssssss, DAL is hiring pilot, FROM ALL SORTS of backgrounds and experience levels, and that's AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

And that was a COMPLETE cluster fornication, with ALPA to blame. I know, you'll say it's ALL THE Pinndeavor pilot's fault. Whatever, ALAP national had a hand in it ALSO. Just like you rant that the Pinndeavor pilots should have taken action against the MEC for what they did, you should take action against ALPA national for signing off on such a complete POS agreement. Simple, right? Riiiiiggghhhht............

DAL is hiring by the way.

block30

I believe there were some interviews today...Friday the 13th no less. How'd they go?

Waggs

I saw some earlier posts mentioning Delta's competitive minimums and lowered minimums for Endeavour flow throughs. Can anyone provide the "competitive" minimums? I know a fair amount of folks with what seem like great resumes and none have gotten a sniff - I'm sure there are plenty out there who can relate.

JungleBus

You obviously don't know BB very well, he's been one of the more vocal and eloquent posters on this board regarding ALPA (& DALPA's) role in the 9E BK and concessions-for-jobs deal. BB's not a DPA guy, but he hasn't been blind to ALPA's faults either...He's been preaching unity for a long time, & has correctly pinpointed the moment that ALPA started going off the rails: when they chose economic expedient over unity & changed their fragmentation policy, setting off the spiral of outsourcing junior jobs.

The 9E transaction was just a completely shameful episode from beginning to end, on the part of DL management, DALPA, ALPA national, & the 9E MEC. It was the natural outcome of the outsourcing ponzi scheme, though.

John Carr

Yet he rarely hesitates to chastise the 9E group without including ALL the other dysfunctional entities involved.

And in case you don't know me very well, I DONT work for Pinndeavor, nor have I ever.

Imapilot2

The bad part for the regional indusry is that Delta's experiment worked. There are interview weeks where only Endeavor pilots are interviewing and getting the job. Almost all the nonmilitary pilots being hired right now are from Endeavor and almost zero from the thousands of other regional pilots with great resumes and tons of experience. Nothing against the guys getting hired but the experiment for Delta worked. Large concessions forced with a job at mainline for it. This is a bad president for the rest of the regionals.

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I think it was a SSP interview day and 4 of 8 got the nod. From what I've been reading the overall rate has been about 50%.