scambo1

nevermind...........

Bucking Bar

Not to pick a nit; but date of hire is first day of Indoc. One of my best friends received his letter just after me, and is nearly 100 numbers senior (post merger) because he got in the previous class. It is a distinction new pilots don't make, but once they figure out how their seniority is effected they will think about it once a month for the next 30 years.

I will say there is something good about career progression. A pilot's relatively rapid rise will keep their nose in the books and their study habits fresh. IMHO the most challenging pilots to fly with are those who are returning from an extended leave where they did not even think about airplanes for a decade, or more.

hockeypilot44

I would also like to add that there is another set of competitive minumums for Endeavor pilots that they negotiated for. Their competitive minimums drops the degree requirement in exchange for regional captain time at Endeavor. All these different sets of minimums means some better qualified candidates are getting passed up or having to wait longer than they should.

ShyGuy

Similar accelerated results, as in slightly faster progression than normal (not in terms of what carrier). As a flowthrough, he should "get it."

Scoop

Mesabah


I doubt that we are hiring Pilots based on a "customer service background."

Perhaps you meant to say that she may have scored an interview due to the above, but I really, really hope that she was hired based on Piloting skills, and future Captain potential.

Scoop

MikefromMT

I'm no expert in why companies hire different people, but it almost appears that some hiring departments believe (whether right or wrong) that a person being customer oriented is something that can not be trained while pilot and captain skills can be trained.

In application during a job interview, I would just want to keep in mind that one question that the interviewers may be trying to answer is your natural tendency toward being customer oriented.

John Carr

Good point. But I've known more than one guy that worked in a CS capacity for a mainline carrier, had a few thousand TPIC before his "fast track" got to kick in.

To repeat the points made by others;

1) "It is what it is"

2) there's already enough VERY experienced pilots in the app pile with customer service skills, presenting themselves well to the customer, etc. But to take it further, presenting themsleves well AS WELL AS A COMPANY THEY DONT EVEN WORK FOR well to the customers.

Bucking Bar

If customer service is an issue, why the Pinnacle hiring preference with waiver of our college degree requirement?

If nothing else, college teaches you to cooperate and graduate (which is what challenging CS situations are ... A test of the big picture. )

John Carr

Depends on the individual and 1) How they approach the experience and 2) What they take away from the experience.

You're painting with a VERY broad brush in your statement.

I had a service industry job through high school and college. Does that meant that since I didn't get through college yet, I didn't have CS skills? A LOT of people I worked with weren't college graduates, yet they had customer service skills, isn't that amazing?

Again, you're generalizing and implying that A+B ALWAYS = C. Simply not the case.

Besides, there's PLENTY of mil guys that have NEVER had a CS job in their life as it relates to what we're discussing here, yet they could probably blow others away as far as people skills compared to others that have had it. You're either a good person or you're not, you either have the the capacity to do it or you don't.

But saying that college teaches that skill set simply isn't a valid statement.

DeadHead

Who should get it?