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Old 06-05-2013, 10:46 AM
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States a bunch about these peoples' responsibility & integrity to not pay back what they owe. What about the moral character requirement of our profession?

Who do they think took the hit ? More than likely a fixed income retiree.

In my business I will not hire a person who has used bankruptcy unless there is a compelling reason to look past their screw job on the other entity that gave them an opportunity.

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Old 06-05-2013, 10:47 AM
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My experience at the regionals was that you could usually tell if you were flying with someone who had a degree or didn't just from talking to them. Put 20 guys in a room ten with and ten without and I think most people could easily pick hem out after talking to them. There are always exceptions but most of the sharp guys you fly with went to college. Now the question is does one thing have anything to do with the other. Would the sharp guys till be sharp or did college bring it out in them?
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:05 AM
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Or do the sharp guys know what's expected to be successful and go college?
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:08 AM
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Or do the sharp guys know what's expected to be successful and go college?
Gee, I don't know. That's a good question:

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Old 06-05-2013, 11:14 AM
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Who knows? What scares me is when Bucking Bar says something like this:

Delta might (we will see) be into a bit of a culture shift, towards the goal of greater commoditization of its labor force.
It bums me out. If this comes to pass, I'm imagining Delta picking guys out of AirlineApps with three airframes listed under flight experience - a couple hundred hours in a 172, another hundred in a Seminole, and seven thousand in an RJ.

And I'm not saying that's a bad hiring decision - as someone else pointed out, who better to fly Delta passengers than someone that's been doing it for the last decade anyway? But it certainly doesn't bode well for me, unfortunately.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD
Who knows? What scares me is when Bucking Bar says something like this:



It bums me out. If this comes to pass, I'm imagining Delta picking guys out of AirlineApps with three airframes listed under flight experience - a couple hundred hours in a 172, another hundred in a Seminole, and seven thousand in an RJ.

And I'm not saying that's a bad hiring decision - as someone else pointed out, who better to fly Delta passengers than someone that's been doing it for the last decade anyway? But it certainly doesn't bode well for me, unfortunately.
NW tended to prefer to hire guys more like your profile who had moved on from a regional to a national, FWIW.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:19 AM
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Or do the sharp guys know what's expected to be successful and go college?
This is how I see it.

I consider myself about as sharp as a basketball, but at least with my peer group while growing up (and they were sharp), not going to college was unthinkable. It was merely the next step after high school. If you were militarily inclined, you went to an Academy.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
States a bunch about these peoples' responsibility & integrity to not pay back what they owe. What about the moral character requirement of our profession?
Speaking of Nietzsche...

Whose morals? Those of the masters - the financiers, or the slaves - those of us who have been led down the primrose path of educational debt? Some would argue that looking after your own best interests is morally just.

I pay my debts as agreed. But I'm not so quick to judge those who can't, or just won't.

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Or do the sharp guys know what's expected to be successful and go college?
Indeed. The ol' causation versus correlation problem.

Anyway, back to the original topic. So Delta is hiring when again? 1Q15? Or is that gonna be too soon after the Alaska merger?
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Now as far as the ethics go, I personally believe you should pay your debts but I also do not weep for the crooked bankers either.

It is truly amazing how much the cost of an education has gone up. I only paid about 20K for my flight training and about 10K for my 4 year degree. Granted this was in 1997/98ish when gas was much cheaper. I got a 152 for $40/hr and a 172 for $55/hr. Those were the days.
Karma is a Beee-ach. More bad people I've known over the years have gotten hit by this train. (A-Hole step brother who hit his kids dies on treadmill.)

I think your 152/172 prices where the same in 86/87'.

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Old 06-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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It is truly amazing how much the cost of an education has gone up. I only paid about 20K for my flight training and about 10K for my 4 year degree. Granted this was in 1997/98ish when gas was much cheaper. I got a 152 for $40/hr and a 172 for $55/hr. Those were the days.
Yeah but college is literally 10 times better now.
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