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Old 10-28-2013, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by f10a
It seems that a vast majority of applicants are not new to the 121 world, they know how acars and cpdlc work, and are not naval aviators!
I'm glad ACARS wasn't on the test...heck, I had enough of a hard time learning what slats and pressurization systems were used for.
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:49 PM
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7 Air Force 1 Marine. Both that didn't get were Air Force.
Thanks for the update. I start to get the feeling that because of the flow up and SSP, it will be very hard for other off the street civ guys to get a job here. kinda sad.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:12 PM
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Regarding #3, they're probably keeping their quals and skills up to date. Not saying you're a C-17 guy, but blacked out ops are a lot less of a disruptor than C-17s going off the side of the runway (Karshi Khanabad), landing gear up (Bargram) and going off the end of the runway (Bagram). See #5 above.

As for what they do, I've been in their cockpits and have seen it firsthand. Not that slick low level, air-drop, NVG, SKE, max efforts and assaults aren't important, but having done all that and then seeing the T2 world, well, I can tell you it is indeed some special and impressive stuff.
Nope never been a -17 guy...E/H/J slick pilot here. Almost wound up going to the HC-130J by request but my O-6 didn't think that was good for the career so I decided the Reserves were better and got out.

FWIW as a safety guy I've seen a lot of buffoonery on behalf of every airframe, to include the T2...and the guys doing blacked out ops on the ramp were Shadows. The T2s were the ones using max reverse on the pax ramp blowing luggage all over...and some other things that were dumb that I won't put on here.

In any case, it was all light hearted jabbing anyways.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
I'm glad ACARS wasn't on the test...heck, I had enough of a hard time learning what slats and pressurization systems were used for.
Now that's funny.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:22 PM
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My point was that many of the questions that are asked seem quite patronizing and ridiculous for today's industry and applicant demographic. Who is being called that doesnt know how to hold? Or when to divert? And with the guys that have been stuck in the right seat for the last decade, ask some relevant questions like crm scenarios with dbag captains, or something about technology being used today, not in the old days when a flight engineer calculated the time it took to accelerate to v1. It seems that a vast majority of applicants are not new to the 121 world, they know how acars and cpdlc work, and are not naval aviators!
Maybe because they're not just testing your general knowledge but your attitude, decorum and professionalism? As has been stated ad infinitum by current DAL pilots here....if you get asked to interview, they know you can fly. If you take the approach that the questions are patronizing and ridiculous, we probably don't want you no matter how much 121 experience you have.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Maybe because they're not just testing your general knowledge but your attitude, decorum and professionalism? As has been stated ad infinitum by current DAL pilots here....if you get asked to interview, they know you can fly. If you take the approach that the questions are patronizing and ridiculous, we probably don't want you no matter how much 121 experience you have.
Exactly right. If you get a question you believe is patronizing, answer it professionally with no attitude. The interviewer may be looking for something far beyond knowledge.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:01 PM
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Exactly right. If you get a question you believe is patronizing, answer it professionally with no attitude. The interviewer may be looking for something far beyond knowledge.
Don't get me wrong, attitude is everything and I agree with this statement. All I'm saying is maybe update the interview profile for the current audience. But judging from recent class drops, it looks like its a moot point for the civilian only guy. Shame.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Maybe because they're not just testing your general knowledge but your attitude, decorum and professionalism? As has been stated ad infinitum by current DAL pilots here....if you get asked to interview, they know you can fly. If you take the approach that the questions are patronizing and ridiculous, we probably don't want you no matter how much 121 experience you have.
Bingo.

Sharply answer the question... or throw them off and go "well, I just plug it into the FMS..." give them a dumb look for a few seconds until they start to think you're serious .. then "ha, just kidding..." and correctly answer the question in a sharp manner. Score knowledge and enjoyable to be around if your comedic timing is good. If not, I didn't tell you to try it.

They are looking for good, confident, and well demeanored captains that can problem solve and work well with others. Safe, Clean, and On Time is the mantra. Think of that and the ideal legacy pilot as you interview.
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Old 10-28-2013, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by f10a
Don't get me wrong, attitude is everything and I agree with this statement. All I'm saying is maybe update the interview profile for the current audience. But judging from recent class drops, it looks like its a moot point for the civilian only guy. Shame.
Again, you're not responsible for updating the profile. They get it. That's why they have a profile. If you think DAL pilot hiring is mired in the 727 era, you are sorely mistaken. I hope you get an interview and a shot. Bring your A game and be contrite. Good luck.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:48 PM
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Don't get me wrong, attitude is everything and I agree with this statement. All I'm saying is maybe update the interview profile for the current audience. But judging from recent class drops, it looks like its a moot point for the civilian only guy. Shame.
That's only because they are calling mostly military to make the classes the appropriate ratio.

I walked in with zero prep, just a good understanding of the 2001 gouge (via what limited search was available then) and what makes a legacy airline (not just DL) pilot. I'm civilian, but think military when you're prepping and in the interview. Think of the proud legacy of pilots that came before you and the fantastic airmanship and customer service that they brought. Think of stories that you have in your experience that expand upon you trying to continue that legacy. Don't be ashamed to note where you have come up short (we all have) and show how you corrected. I had various stories that I wrote down that could be flexed to apply to most any scenario, and I think that was the most valuable thing I did.

I didn't believe interview prep was for me, and I still don't. But that's becoming a long ways in the past now.

We all have some great stories in our past- if you can't learn to apply them or aren't sure, get prep. I rolled hardcore and did it my way, but everyone has their own path. The key is that they are looking for the legacy of comfortable command to continue.
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