Delta Hiring News
06-09-2020, 09:46 AM
Roll’n Thunder
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I promise I'm not blind/deaf to what management is currently doing. I just feel that these policies that have been put in place (parked planes, load cap, etc) can just as quickly be changed and updated. Right now the complaints are that we're hamstringing ourselves with a conservative approach to the rebound. Some people think management is trying to "save face" by sticking to their plan or is overcome by hubris and unwilling to budge. My hope is that as/if our competitors begin pulling way ahead, our team will be forced to adjust...its kind of what their job is.
I know there are going to be a few more dark days ahead. I'm thinking specifically when our 2Q earnings report is released; the amount of negativity that's going to swarm us via financial pundits and media analysts will be interesting to watch...but above all, I simply feel like we've turned a corner and the good news will outpace the bad and our revenue will return quickly. I'm going to stick to JANUARY and watch as these looooong months tick down.
I know there are going to be a few more dark days ahead. I'm thinking specifically when our 2Q earnings report is released; the amount of negativity that's going to swarm us via financial pundits and media analysts will be interesting to watch...but above all, I simply feel like we've turned a corner and the good news will outpace the bad and our revenue will return quickly. I'm going to stick to JANUARY and watch as these looooong months tick down.
Plus now there's stories cropping up about how we are short on people working the ticket counters so people are missing flights because we haven't reacted fast enough to the increasing demand there either.
06-09-2020, 12:43 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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Yeah I think I am. We have 7ish months until January and I think once the narrative shifts we’ll rocket away from this negativity loop and see that we’re right where we want to be staffing-wise after the holiday bump. Right about then we’ll start to see the need to staff for attrition going into summer of 2021.
From early March, it took us 3 1/2 months to hit bottom...it sucked down there but it’s in the past. I’ll happily predict it takes us about twice as long to get back to a place where we need to start hiring...right about JANUARY.
From early March, it took us 3 1/2 months to hit bottom...it sucked down there but it’s in the past. I’ll happily predict it takes us about twice as long to get back to a place where we need to start hiring...right about JANUARY.
Not long ago, (Late 90's, mid 2000's) airlines were flying around nearly full airplanes, at a loss. Half a dozen mergers, low oil prices and the largest economic expansion in our nations history made it a marginally viable business model for 5 or 6 years.
We're back at square 0.
In April we were at 20% load's on 10% of the normal schedule, with $49 tickets. Now we're at 60% loads, on 25% of the schedule, still with $49 tickets. Far from the days of 90% loads, on 100% of the schedule and $400 tickets.
My niece bought a ticket to San Diego from the Midwest on AA for $27 last week. That's not going to pay the bills.
It's going to take a lot, and I mean A LOT to get back to Pre Covid business levels. All the airlines today will be magnitudes smaller for years than they were in 2019.
06-09-2020, 01:08 PM
Banned
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This is a for-profit business, not the Air Force. The measure of success is margin on revenue generated, not just passengers in seats.
Not long ago, (Late 90's, mid 2000's) airlines were flying around nearly full airplanes, at a loss. Half a dozen mergers, low oil prices and the largest economic expansion in our nations history made it a marginally viable business model for 5 or 6 years.
We're back at square 0.
In April we were at 20% load's on 10% of the normal schedule, with $49 tickets. Now we're at 60% loads, on 25% of the schedule, still with $49 tickets. Far from the days of 90% loads, on 100% of the schedule and $400 tickets.
My niece bought a ticket to San Diego from the Midwest on AA for $27 last week. That's not going to pay the bills.
It's going to take a lot, and I mean A LOT to get back to Pre Covid business levels. All the airlines today will be magnitudes smaller for years than they were in 2019.
Not long ago, (Late 90's, mid 2000's) airlines were flying around nearly full airplanes, at a loss. Half a dozen mergers, low oil prices and the largest economic expansion in our nations history made it a marginally viable business model for 5 or 6 years.
We're back at square 0.
In April we were at 20% load's on 10% of the normal schedule, with $49 tickets. Now we're at 60% loads, on 25% of the schedule, still with $49 tickets. Far from the days of 90% loads, on 100% of the schedule and $400 tickets.
My niece bought a ticket to San Diego from the Midwest on AA for $27 last week. That's not going to pay the bills.
It's going to take a lot, and I mean A LOT to get back to Pre Covid business levels. All the airlines today will be magnitudes smaller for years than they were in 2019.
The fundamental US economics going in to this rug pulled out from under us china-flu-instant-death-farce is that we had the strongest economy in the last 75 years. The airline landscape is much different now as well.
Nope, don't agree with you on this. BTW you could by a $27 ticket before china flu. Certain dates,time and city pair with flexible dates.
06-09-2020, 08:08 PM
Bracing for Fallacies
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This is a for-profit business, not the Air Force. The measure of success is margin on revenue generated, not just passengers in seats.
Not long ago, (Late 90's, mid 2000's) airlines were flying around nearly full airplanes, at a loss. Half a dozen mergers, low oil prices and the largest economic expansion in our nations history made it a marginally viable business model for 5 or 6 years.
We're back at square 0.
In April we were at 20% load's on 10% of the normal schedule, with $49 tickets. Now we're at 60% loads, on 25% of the schedule, still with $49 tickets. Far from the days of 90% loads, on 100% of the schedule and $400 tickets.
My niece bought a ticket to San Diego from the Midwest on AA for $27 last week. That's not going to pay the bills.
It's going to take a lot, and I mean A LOT to get back to Pre Covid business levels. All the airlines today will be magnitudes smaller for years than they were in 2019.
Not long ago, (Late 90's, mid 2000's) airlines were flying around nearly full airplanes, at a loss. Half a dozen mergers, low oil prices and the largest economic expansion in our nations history made it a marginally viable business model for 5 or 6 years.
We're back at square 0.
In April we were at 20% load's on 10% of the normal schedule, with $49 tickets. Now we're at 60% loads, on 25% of the schedule, still with $49 tickets. Far from the days of 90% loads, on 100% of the schedule and $400 tickets.
My niece bought a ticket to San Diego from the Midwest on AA for $27 last week. That's not going to pay the bills.
It's going to take a lot, and I mean A LOT to get back to Pre Covid business levels. All the airlines today will be magnitudes smaller for years than they were in 2019.
honest question.
06-10-2020, 03:09 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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06-10-2020, 03:30 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
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I had the same question I think delta prices have not gone down nearly as much as others
06-10-2020, 05:27 AM
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That's because the economy was in toilet back then.
The fundamental US economics going in to this rug pulled out from under us china-flu-instant-death-farce is that we had the strongest economy in the last 75 years. The airline landscape is much different now as well.
Nope, don't agree with you on this. BTW you could by a $27 ticket before china flu. Certain dates,time and city pair with flexible dates.
The fundamental US economics going in to this rug pulled out from under us china-flu-instant-death-farce is that we had the strongest economy in the last 75 years. The airline landscape is much different now as well.
Nope, don't agree with you on this. BTW you could by a $27 ticket before china flu. Certain dates,time and city pair with flexible dates.
06-10-2020, 06:37 AM
Rodeo clown
Joined APC: Feb 2017
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(And why is it so hard for our decision makers and IT departments to understand and execute a website to show seat availability? I can do entire tax filings with greater certainty than I can decode travelnet and the three or four unofficial cheat sheets on how many seats are available on airplanes.)
EDIT: In fairness to mother D, the next most competitive price was on our metal, the flight he was trying to non rev on, for about $35 more.
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