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02-29-2020, 09:43 AM

#11141

gloopy

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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley

"We", do you have a mouse in your pocket? Not a lot of soft folks living in my part of the country. That former Marine doing the 8 hour slab thing, forget about it.

I was doing the 7 minute abs thing but once I found the 6 minute ab program it was the logical transition. There's a 5 minite ab program out there, but that seems insufficient.

02-29-2020, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta

You honestly believe Delta would allow their mainline pilots to flow down to staff a regional that no longer flies for DCI and soon to only fly for one of their biggest competitors?

Allow? If it was successfully grieved then yes, they'd have to "allow" it.

They don't have to though; they can always park the 35 or so large RJ's that only exist because of the flow down. Their choice.

02-29-2020, 09:48 AM

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we definitely do not need to press the issue. If there is no contract with CPZ, there is no flow LOA. Wasting time chasing such a thing with union resources is downright silly.

We absolutely need to press the issue because that amount of large RJ's only exist because of the flow down LOA. They have always been contingent on that. They can either figure out a pathway for 500-600 pilots to flow to at the top of a regional's list, or they can park 35 large RJ's. Or they can bring them in house. Their choice. That would be a powerful layer of protection against furloughs which benefits every pilot on the list junior to #1, and an even more powerful layer of protection for those actually furloughed if it came to that.

Well worth the "union resources" to fight for considering the extent of its benefit should we prevail (and IMO we would). but even if not, well worth the effort.

Just consider it our scope optimizer.

02-29-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

we definitely do not need to press the issue. If there is no contract with CPZ, there is no flow LOA. Wasting time chasing such a thing with union resources is downright silly.

disagree, those jets (36 to be exact) still exist in the DL system...so that’s a win for management. If you think furlough protection is a waste of time then what else is a waste of time?

02-29-2020, 11:57 AM

#11145

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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO

disagree, those jets (36 to be exact) still exist in the DL system...so that’s a win for management. If you think furlough protection is a waste of time then what else is a waste of time?

Where’s the language tying jets to this LOA? I’ve read the entire LOA in question and there’s nothing in it tying jets to the flow program. What’s worse, there’s nothing saying if the LOA is terminated that jets will be removed from DCI.

02-29-2020, 12:32 PM

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disagree, those jets (36 to be exact) still exist in the DL system...so that’s a win for management. If you think furlough protection is a waste of time then what else is a waste of time?

then write an LOA with the company who operates them now. Pretending that the flow LOA with compass still exists is absurd.

02-29-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OOfff

then write an LOA with the company who operates them now. Pretending that the flow LOA with compass still exists is absurd.

The right to operate those airplanes still exists, or did that go away as well?

02-29-2020, 04:36 PM

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With United cancelling class right before should some of us be worried going into class next week? I know they had MAX orders so it seems like they were hurting before the virus, but a lot of us waiting a week before class have already resigned at our previous carriers? Time to worry or should we be ok?

02-29-2020, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tcco94

Time to bust out the magic 8 ball.

02-29-2020, 06:58 PM

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Hank Kingsley

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Originally Posted by gloopy

I was doing the 7 minute abs thing but once I found the 6 minute ab program it was the logical transition. There's a 5 minite ab program out there, but that seems insufficient.

What are abs? Think that Bachelor pilot might have some.