Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-20-2012, 02:25 PM
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05-20-2012, 02:27 PM
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But since I provide the highest level of performance whether the company is making a profit or not, my compensation should not be tied to a profit.
Or maybe we should just stop doing a good job when profits are down.
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05-20-2012, 02:29 PM
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I've always thought this would be a good way to do pay. I told them in my survey that we need SWA pay DOS and then inflation + 3% after that.
The guy I'm flying with has your payrate table printed out on colored cardstock and is 110% sure he got it from a "secret" source of his that he can't reveal. He's pulling it out and showing it to every pilot he sees.
The guy I'm flying with has your payrate table printed out on colored cardstock and is 110% sure he got it from a "secret" source of his that he can't reveal. He's pulling it out and showing it to every pilot he sees.
05-20-2012, 02:32 PM
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Getting ready to push for RDU. I'll check back when I'm in the crew van.
05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
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Don't waste your time.
I suggested we should have part of our pay fixed, part of it "at risk", and part of it adjusted to inflation several months ago, and I don't think anyone liked it on APC.
4/8/3/3, for example, would sound better if it would flex from 4-16/8-32/2-8/2-8 depending on inflation and profit. The reason I'm not overly focused on pay is that I want a good contract first, but the reason I could imagine voting for the rumored 4/8/3/3 (with a good contract) is that I don't know what the future holds.
You could have a poor economy, and poor company performance, and 4/8/3/3 would look specatular in hindsight. You could also have a great economy, and high inflation, and be able to live with 16/32/8/8. You could even have some middle ground, i.e. stagflation, and get by on 8/16/4/4, or something like that.
We're remarkably poor at figuring out how to handle the goose long-term, and we're not very trusting of any flexible components to our pay. So we'll always have to weigh the risk of foregoing a decent raise after the economy turns sour by being too agressive, vs. the reward of holding out for the company to hit on all cyclinders, with the right administration, at some time in the future, with our bungholes puckered up that the economy doesn't cough meanwhile.
So, here we are.
I suggested we should have part of our pay fixed, part of it "at risk", and part of it adjusted to inflation several months ago, and I don't think anyone liked it on APC.
4/8/3/3, for example, would sound better if it would flex from 4-16/8-32/2-8/2-8 depending on inflation and profit. The reason I'm not overly focused on pay is that I want a good contract first, but the reason I could imagine voting for the rumored 4/8/3/3 (with a good contract) is that I don't know what the future holds.
You could have a poor economy, and poor company performance, and 4/8/3/3 would look specatular in hindsight. You could also have a great economy, and high inflation, and be able to live with 16/32/8/8. You could even have some middle ground, i.e. stagflation, and get by on 8/16/4/4, or something like that.
We're remarkably poor at figuring out how to handle the goose long-term, and we're not very trusting of any flexible components to our pay. So we'll always have to weigh the risk of foregoing a decent raise after the economy turns sour by being too agressive, vs. the reward of holding out for the company to hit on all cyclinders, with the right administration, at some time in the future, with our bungholes puckered up that the economy doesn't cough meanwhile.
So, here we are.
And that I just put us 1 post closer to 100,000.
05-20-2012, 03:47 PM
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Man we were about to go to the pool when a thunderstorm blossomed out of nowhere. Probably fed off Lake Lanier. Rarely do we have storms come from the north and head south, but when they do, I get some rain!
All that to say, I think that cell just took out the ATL for a while.
All that to say, I think that cell just took out the ATL for a while.
05-20-2012, 04:55 PM
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We still have a few posts to go before GuardDude gets back so I'll verrrry verrry carefully post here, making sure I don't overshoot...
How many of ya'll are gonna camp out at the MEC meeting in ATL tomorrow morning? Don't have anything going on, thinking about jetting up if there'll be a few APCers there. Sounds like an excellent excuse to drink some beer (and perhaps something harder, depending on how good/bad the T/A is :-)).
How many of ya'll are gonna camp out at the MEC meeting in ATL tomorrow morning? Don't have anything going on, thinking about jetting up if there'll be a few APCers there. Sounds like an excellent excuse to drink some beer (and perhaps something harder, depending on how good/bad the T/A is :-)).
05-20-2012, 05:10 PM
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The counter on the major page, and on the thread itself, are different by 1, BTW. I'm not sure which is the True Count.
05-20-2012, 05:13 PM
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05-20-2012, 05:15 PM
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We still have a few posts to go before GuardDude gets back so I'll verrrry verrry carefully post here, making sure I don't overshoot...
How many of ya'll are gonna camp out at the MEC meeting in ATL tomorrow morning? Don't have anything going on, thinking about jetting up if there'll be a few APCers there. Sounds like an excellent excuse to drink some beer (and perhaps something harder, depending on how good/bad the T/A is :-)).
How many of ya'll are gonna camp out at the MEC meeting in ATL tomorrow morning? Don't have anything going on, thinking about jetting up if there'll be a few APCers there. Sounds like an excellent excuse to drink some beer (and perhaps something harder, depending on how good/bad the T/A is :-)).
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