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Old 05-16-2012, 08:06 AM
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Not anymore... I've sat 3 with a 4th tomorrow... that's bucket 2. The other dude is still in bucket one with 1 short call If I understand it right...
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:09 AM
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Yes, please do!...........
I think if you look at any contract you have to take it from a very fundamental level. No MAY no SHALL no TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. Only the company WILL and the pilot WILL.

Even though a law dictionary finds SHALL to be imperative it's not as concrete as WILL. I figure it's easier to get a clear intent through negotiations and a good Contract Administrator can easily add "Or Else" to the end.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:11 AM
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Not anymore... I've sat 3 with a 4th tomorrow... that's bucket 2. The other dude is still in bucket one with 1 short call If I understand it right...
Do you both have identical days of availability? Or were you both in 4 on day 1, then you were still in 4 day 2, and he was day 3, then you were still day 4 and he was day 2? This could put you in a different bucket than him. This is the issue I take with the SC system. The scheduler's discretion, God bless 'em, is still discretionary.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Another example of how "wins" turn out not being wins later. If/when the new contract is in place, expect to find out all kinds of ways the company took ALPA to the cleaners in the small print.


Jack,

I agree with this. Seems like it happens with some stuff every contract. That being said, it'll happen in a contract 5 years from now too.......

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Old 05-16-2012, 08:16 AM
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Not a contract question because I don't think these have any business being a part of our TA, but if we were to take delivery of 717s and/or additional A319s, where would they be based?

My guess is ATL and NYC.

717s replace the 9 in ATL and increase lift to some shorter stage length LGA markets. The 319s make up for the longer segments the 717 can't cover. Perhaps we'll see entertainment systems on newly acquired 319s.

I'm just hoping to bid out of NYC, but this doesn't seem to promising
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:25 AM
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Not a contract question because I don't think these have any business being a part of our TA, but if we were to take delivery of 717s and/or additional A319s, where would they be based?

My guess is ATL and NYC.

717s replace the 9 in ATL and increase lift to some shorter stage length LGA markets. The 319s make up for the longer segments the 717 can't cover. Perhaps we'll see entertainment systems on newly acquired 319s.

I'm just hoping to bid out of NYC, but this doesn't seem to promising
I'd agree that NYC/ATL would be shoe ins. DTW also seems likely. And probably SEA and LAX once we roll back the AS code share abuse. I know, not likely we will do that.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:27 AM
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I'd agree that NYC/ATL would be shoe ins. DTW also seems likely. And probably SEA and LAX once we roll back the AS code share abuse. I know, not likely we will do that.
Still makes me wonder how DTW is chock full of 737s and MD-88s at 6am flown by ATL and NYC pilots, but it's apparently forbidden to give those management haters in DTW a plane to fly where they live. Driving to work. What a concept.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
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Jack,

I agree with this. Seems like it happens with some stuff every contract. That being said, it'll happen in a contract 5 years from now too.......

Denny
And it really shouldn't be this way. Yes the company has the advantage of seeing the big picture while throwing the NC off track with distractions but there are thousands of eagle eyed contract lawyers in this country who know how to look for the loopholes and close them up.

As far as I am concerned the ALPA lawyers we have used need to be immediately fired as they have proven their worth (worthless!). The company has smarter, more astute lawyers in their court.

The company and it's legal team school ALPA/us every single time. We need to change things up if we don't want to be scratching our heads in six months or six years wondering how so many little details that jack our pay/qol/career progression slipped through the cracks.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
I think if you look at any contract you have to take it from a very fundamental level. No MAY no SHALL no TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. Only the company WILL and the pilot WILL.

Even though a law dictionary finds SHALL to be imperative it's not as concrete as WILL. I figure it's easier to get a clear intent through negotiations and a good Contract Administrator can easily add "Or Else" to the end.
I agree completely. Have seen this happen all too often. A contract quickly becomes meaningless with loose wording such as you have mentioned.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Still makes me wonder how DTW is chock full of 737s and MD-88s at 6am flown by ATL and NYC pilots, but it's apparently forbidden to give those management haters in DTW a plane to fly where they live. Driving to work. What a concept.
DTW as a 73 base could happen at some point within the next 2 years. DL has way too many 73 bases for the size of the fleet as it is to justify opening up another one anywhere. But I think as the 100 additional 737's come on line DTW will see a 73 base as well as either a 717 base or a rebuilding of the 320 base that was canibalized to fund shifting the Roosevelt hotel bill from the company to the pilots.
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