rvr350

10/5/2/2, fwiw... I don't have a good feeling about Section 4, because the last Notepad saying they're still working on it, and days later, it's all done? if Section 4 is any indication of how the TA's gonna look, i don't think i'll like what I see in Section 1.

Section 1 by itself has to have a leg to stand on, without any sacrifices, compromise, negotiations from any other sections in our PWA, period.

Cogf16

12/8/5/5 or maybe 10/10/5/5

buzzpat

Hoobiestank rocks!!!

Sorry, as the resident rock expert, I have to chime in. It's not "hoobiestank" but "Hoobastank." They've had some hits. Saw them at the Roman Forum in 2004. Still rocking, but not apparently with DAL 76 CAs.

80ktsClamp

I've seen them live twice. Love their music... and freaking hilarious name.

gloopy

I'll go with 12(total "this year", even if its some now and some 01-01-13) and then 5/4/4, although it will be called a "25+% raise" which we all know is just a bit disingenuous.

DC +2% by the end of the 3-4 year agreement.

Work rule concessions as per the NNP with a few net positives (can call in sick for a toothache, no trip parking, etc). Net staffing negative.

Vacation 3.X per day (won't even make it to 4)

DCI scope sale...50-100 more 76 seaters...my over/under is 75.
No reduction in 70 seaters, unless they can also "flex up" to become 76 seaters (in addition to the 50-100 additional 76 seaters which is a given) via some lame growth formula that won't be worth the paper its printed on and even if it is will bargain that away anyway when the time comes.
50 seaters set at whatever the company wants to do with them anyway.
Company not required to fire Chautauqua and other "Air Groups" if they fly big metal on the third grade "separate certificate trick". Pinnacle will be allowed to fly E190's, for someone and still be a DCI carrier as well.

Little to no real remedy for the massive AS code share abuse. Maybe we get one or two LA-SEA flights but I doubt it. Even if we do, that AS capacity gets shifted elsewhere in the system anyway. In the unlikely event there are substantial AS rollbacks, we will be merged with them in under 24 months.

Something that addresses JV's, but considering we just gave up the 1 year balance in exchange for a 3 year bottomless balance/49.75% snapshot it will likely do little to nothing to change anything other than protection from the JV boogeyman (see, before they could use hourly EK A380 flights on every city pair, but now we limited them!) but at the end of the day little changes. Maybe, maybe, we get one of the 3 Virgin Austrailia flights which still won't offset what we're giving up across the Atlantic anyway this fall.

An extra quarter per diem by the end of agreement.

Slight bump in training pay.

717's and/or used A319's that we were getting anyway.

Loss of at least some of our early opener/accelerated mediation language for next time.

10% YOY reduction in underboob to fund pay raises.

buzzpat

You should've seen Snow Patrol in Vegas this past weekend. Frikkin awesome, at a pool, on top, of a hotel, in Vegas. It was our anniversary or I would have invited all my APC bros. Still, you could have flown on your own dime and who am I to be judged?

Anyhoo, see Snow Patrol in your town ASAP. And tell lead singer Gary Lightbody and all-around cool dude that we're close.

Roadie85

A big question is, why did Delta want to negotiate this contract ahead of the amendable date? Must be something we don't know about, like a merger or big capital event. I want to hear from ALPA what's the hurry and how it is going to impact this pilot group.

Herkflyr

The optimist in me is because our CEO and ALPA leadership want to destroy the old, tired, dysfunctional Section 6 model of endless hand grenades, picketing, NMB sessions, going years beyond the amendable date to finally get a TA that reluctantly passes (after perhaps a NO vote or two before that)...all to mix, stir, and repeat three years later, ad infinitum.

The optimist in me says it is the same reason DAL thought way outside the box and bought the refinery. Maybe it will be a brilliant move, maybe not. But at least our approach to how much we pay for fuel is PROactive and not "gee I sure hope oil gets cheap again.?

Then the pessimist in me says, "gee, why WOULD the company be rushing this? It certainly isn't because RA goes to bed every night thinking 'boy our pilots sure need to be paid more; how can I make that happen?'"

The devil in the details will reveal much...

tsquare

D'OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NWA320pilot

Sorry you feel this way...... There is leverage one just has to understand how to apply it.