Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-10-2009, 02:10 PM
#9931
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The fNWA contract provided for paid moves whenever you changed categories. There were some qualifiers, but it did not matter whether it was voluntary or involuntary. You could even qualify if you simply changed categories in-base.
Granted, that contract no longer applies. However, there is some precedent set there for negotiating paid moves. It all comes down to its placement on the ALPA agenda.
Granted, that contract no longer applies. However, there is some precedent set there for negotiating paid moves. It all comes down to its placement on the ALPA agenda.
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07-10-2009, 02:15 PM
#9932
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There is no intention to prevent anyone from moving, just the intention not to pay for voluntary moves. If they open a base in Walla Walla, then that is a new base, it didn't exist as a base and now it does, so it is new.
MSP already exists as a base. There are hundreds of Delta pilots already based there. Just because it is a new opportunity for you to choose to bid into at SOC, that doesn't make it new. The key test is whether or not the bid was for company convenience or your convenience. If you bid for MSP 320 B, that is your choice. If you are displaced from your position to MSP 320 B then that is not your choice. That is the difference.
If you want to try it out and file a grievance then have at it. Don't be shocked when you lose that one. The language is pretty clear.
MSP already exists as a base. There are hundreds of Delta pilots already based there. Just because it is a new opportunity for you to choose to bid into at SOC, that doesn't make it new. The key test is whether or not the bid was for company convenience or your convenience. If you bid for MSP 320 B, that is your choice. If you are displaced from your position to MSP 320 B then that is not your choice. That is the difference.
If you want to try it out and file a grievance then have at it. Don't be shocked when you lose that one. The language is pretty clear.
I just see all of those new bases for us as something I had no bidding rights at before. After SOC I will. By simple definition that is new.
07-10-2009, 02:16 PM
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For everyone waiting for the (truly) big news: we have breaking news.
Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...
Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance
I'm looking for a Sir Mix-a-Lot "Baby's Got Back".wav right now...
Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...
Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance
I'm looking for a Sir Mix-a-Lot "Baby's Got Back".wav right now...
07-10-2009, 02:22 PM
#9934
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For everyone waiting for the (truly) big news: we have breaking news.
Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...
Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance
Northwest flight attendants want Delta to offer bigger sizes of signature red dress uniform...
Some NWA flight attendants want to wear red dress - Yahoo! Finance
Noooooooo!
The deal was: It comes in small and medium but not international. The red dress on a size 28 FA would be a scary sight.
07-10-2009, 02:34 PM
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C2K did that for the South as well, but that clause was a victim to the agreement that prevented us from going bankrupt (...). Are you saying that this paid move for AE's (or APA's) clause survived bankruptcy on the North side when you say "that contract no longer applies", or are you saying it died in bankruptcy?
Thanks.
Thanks.
My only point was that the JPWA now governs, but there is some historical basis in the old NWA contract which could be leveraged in favor of those pilots who might want to move after SOC.
07-10-2009, 02:38 PM
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I've heard some of the "larger" FAs who can't find the red dress and couldn't get the largest ones available off the shelf to survive the stress test, have had some custom made at their local tent shop.
07-10-2009, 02:48 PM
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The company can't have it both ways, make it difficult to move to a base and make it difficult to commute.
Either momma Delta needs to agree with ACL's interpretation on new bases or it needs to agree with the old NWA Call in Honest Policy.
Ferd
07-10-2009, 02:50 PM
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That dress is limited in size for a reason. I still think it should be limited at a size 8.
07-10-2009, 02:54 PM
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Bet you would never guess that the Asian FAs look great in the red dress. The Japaneese girls seem to have latched onto it when they pull interpretor duty. Some wear the other when doing FA duty too but I think they all went and got the red one........looken good!
Ferd
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07-10-2009, 02:57 PM
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I hate to bring it up again, but here goes.
The company can't have it both ways, make it difficult to move to a base and make it difficult to commute.
Either momma Delta needs to agree with ACL's interpretation on new bases or it needs to agree with the old NWA Call in Honest Policy.
Ferd
The company can't have it both ways, make it difficult to move to a base and make it difficult to commute.
Either momma Delta needs to agree with ACL's interpretation on new bases or it needs to agree with the old NWA Call in Honest Policy.
Ferd
Fact is that a MOA stating that the other sides bases are preexisting is what would define it.
I define a new base and category as one that I have not been able to previously bid. I know that is simplistic, but the fact is that prior to the first joint bid no one from the other side could bid the other bases.
I know I will be told I am an idiot, and that paid moves off of an AE went away in LOA 46, but the fact is that the way I see it, this would be a new base which would allow me to AE it, and get paid for it.
The issue is that someone somewhere agreed that even though they are new to bid, they are not new bases for us to bid. I see how this is advantageous to us
Guess, I will stay in ATL
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