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Old 07-10-2009, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Face is that I do not see a ton of openings on non fenced equipment for some time. Most will be surplus and AE's to new jets in existing bases. (Well old jets in old bases that may be new to some of us)
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What aircraft do you see moving around? My original thought was that the main synergies would come from cross-fleeting, and from reducing credit time. I heard the #1 synergy to be gained in the merger was in fact the elimination of deadheads on B744 to NRT, by B-757 crews that flew beyond. So I would think 7ER's to the Pacific would be a given.

I imagined A330's would also show up in ATL and JFK, and 7ER's would backfill in DTW and MSP.

Beyond that, I don't know what narrow-body moves make sense, but I had always envisioned a lot of movement, and a lot of emphasis on reduced deadheads.

Your thoughts?
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am sure the union will see that differently.
It is a new base to us and to them. We have not been able to bid it before so IMHO it is a new base.
I am sure there will be some debate about this.
I am sorry but that interpretation is ridiculous. The purpose of a paid move is to reimburse pilots for moves at the company convenience. If they open a new base, that is the company's prerogative, and they need to pay pilots that move to a new location. If they displace pilots then that is the company's prerogative and they need to pay pilots to move to a new location.

If a pilot, on his own initiative, decides to bid for a base after the merger, that is his own prerogative, and he has to assume the costs of that move. Just because a base is "new" to you, it doesn't mean you have to bid it. You make a choice, you assume the responsibility of that choice.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I am sorry but that interpretation is ridiculous. The purpose of a paid move is to reimburse pilots for moves at the company convenience. If they open a new base, that is the company's prerogative, and they need to pay pilots that move to a new location. If they displace pilots then that is the company's prerogative and they need to pay pilots to move to a new location.

If a pilot, on his own initiative, decides to bid for a base after the merger, that is his own prerogative, and he has to assume the costs of that move. Just because a base is "new" to you, it doesn't mean you have to bid it. You make a choice, you assume the responsibility of that choice.
That's what I meant...
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:42 PM
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Everyone makes mistakes or has a misunderstanding of the question. You're doing a good job ACL, I love reading your posts, keep it up.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I am sorry but that interpretation is ridiculous. The purpose of a paid move is to reimburse pilots for moves at the company convenience. If they open a new base, that is the company's prerogative, and they need to pay pilots that move to a new location. If they displace pilots then that is the company's prerogative and they need to pay pilots to move to a new location.

If a pilot, on his own initiative, decides to bid for a base after the merger, that is his own prerogative, and he has to assume the costs of that move. Just because a base is "new" to you, it doesn't mean you have to bid it. You make a choice, you assume the responsibility of that choice.
Fair enough, but that base was not available to me prior to the merger so it is new to me. I have not had the opportunity to bid it before. I agree with what you say to say the DAL-S guys wanting a move paid for so they can fly in an existing DAL base. Those Northwest bases are new to us, and as of today we have not had access to them. They would be new bases to us, would they not? If they are not, a MOA would cover these being existing bases as by definition they are new bases to 1/2 of the group.
I guess I can see the union making it this way to discourage people from moving south. Fact is I am not going to move to any exiting base.

I understand your take on this I just disagree with it. It appears that is the way the union and the company see it too.
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Old 07-10-2009, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Fair enough, but that base was not available to me prior to the merger so it is new to me. I have not had the opportunity to bid it before.
I know it is an exaggeration, but with your interpretation the company would be liable for thousands and thousands of moves since everyone's bases/equipment will be new to the other...sounds $$$.


I'm going to vote that if it is a new category to all this might apply.
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MSP -88/-90
ATL - A330
SEA-- 7ER
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Didn't the 777 guys get a move paid for when they added it to NYC?
It was a new position that did not exist previously and was new to everyone...that example seems pretty straight-forward.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
I know it is an exaggeration, but with your interpretation the company would be liable for thousands and thousands of moves since everyone's bases/equipment will be new to the other...I'm not buying it, and either would mgmt.


I'm going to vote that if it is a new category to all this might apply.
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MSP -88/-90
ATL - A330
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I understand that, but by simple definition it is new to half the group.
I am not trying to start a fight here, I just see it as a new base for me.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyinPiker
It was a new position that did not exist previously and was new to everyone...that example seems pretty straight-forward.
But if that is the case, I can not bid say MSP until after SOC and it is a new base for half the group.

It is clear that I misinterpreted the contract.
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Old 07-10-2009, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I understand that, but by simple definition it is new to half the group.
I am not trying to start a fight here, I just see it as a new base for me.
ACL for president!!! Heck brotha...I like what your spittin.

I agree with the previous poster though that with so many people using the word of ACL as gospel it's easy to get facts & opinions mixed up.

It's definitely clear this is your opinion now. Gracias. Keep up the good work.
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