Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2012, 04:57 PM
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I thought there was a PCS run at 1900?
05-14-2012, 05:00 PM
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05-14-2012, 05:09 PM
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05-14-2012, 05:14 PM
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Well, that's a total of about 30% (actually 29.36%) compounded one year and seven months from now.
... Or we could walk away and still be in Section 6 negotiations then with no end in sight. The absurdity of saying "anything less than 30% is a NO vote" without any regard for the rest of the TA and considering the time value of money amazes me. To those of you making statements like that - have you considered how big of a raise it will take three or four years from now at the conclusion of prolonged Section 6 negotiations to make up for 3 or 4 years of no raises in the meantime?
Me? I will evaluate any TA in its whole. I have not developed any "lines in the sand." I would love to get back to C2K rates, especially adjusted for inflation, but I will be pragmatic when I evaluate any TA. We should all do the same.
... Or we could walk away and still be in Section 6 negotiations then with no end in sight. The absurdity of saying "anything less than 30% is a NO vote" without any regard for the rest of the TA and considering the time value of money amazes me. To those of you making statements like that - have you considered how big of a raise it will take three or four years from now at the conclusion of prolonged Section 6 negotiations to make up for 3 or 4 years of no raises in the meantime?
Me? I will evaluate any TA in its whole. I have not developed any "lines in the sand." I would love to get back to C2K rates, especially adjusted for inflation, but I will be pragmatic when I evaluate any TA. We should all do the same.
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05-14-2012, 05:34 PM
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Here is one way to look at the numbers by looking at the actual numbers:
05-14-2012, 05:41 PM
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Several of those rates (multipliers) you published are part of contacts that significantly enhance their value to the pilots. FDX and SWA in particular. Our rates (multipliers) are solidly "middle of the road" when we (Delta) are making lots of money, largely due to our contributions, and are projected to make even more.
I'm interested to see the new payscale, but even more interested to see the work rules that will determine the value of our new rates (multipliers)
This is all separate in my mind from the scope discussion. If the scope's not there, none of this matters. If they have in fact negotiated Section 1, and have not agreed to Section 3, then I'm optimistic that we will not be selling scope for payrates (multipliers). Time will tell.
05-14-2012, 05:44 PM
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05-14-2012, 05:52 PM
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I am a little irritated, so let me vent.
If, like sheep, we believe that the "given/survey" number is less than 30% or if it is truly a reflection of the majority of pilots here; then we work with a BUNCH OF SALLIES. IM DISGUSTED. We have no room to complain anymore.
Admit-tingly, I am losing a little faith in ALPA. These trial balloons are a direct tool to lower expectations.
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If, like sheep, we believe that the "given/survey" number is less than 30% or if it is truly a reflection of the majority of pilots here; then we work with a BUNCH OF SALLIES. IM DISGUSTED. We have no room to complain anymore.
Admit-tingly, I am losing a little faith in ALPA. These trial balloons are a direct tool to lower expectations.
TEN
05-14-2012, 05:52 PM
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Why exactly would you post this? If the decision was made not to let us know what the survey results were, I'm sure it's not exactly cool for you to post that info on a public forum.....
Plus, why exactly would we open at what we wanted? Wouldn't a decent negotiator open at survey minimum plus XX%?
05-14-2012, 05:55 PM
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Sailing,
Why exactly would you post this? If the decision was made not to let us know what the survey results were, I'm sure it's not exactly cool for you to post that info on a public forum.....
Plus, why exactly would we open at what we wanted? Wouldn't a decent negotiator open at survey minimum plus XX%?
Why exactly would you post this? If the decision was made not to let us know what the survey results were, I'm sure it's not exactly cool for you to post that info on a public forum.....
Plus, why exactly would we open at what we wanted? Wouldn't a decent negotiator open at survey minimum plus XX%?
TEN
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