Jack Bauer

+ 1..........

More Bacon

Doubling that, with the current concessions outlined in the NN and God knows what kind of scope sellout ALPA hands us, would still be a NO.

So much for "fleeting opportunities," Richard.

The only question now is whether the LEC reps have the stones to vote this mess down. That will determine how soon the DPA vote comes up.

LeineLodge

The funny thing about % is it really doesn't matter. It has to be viewed in the context of the entire CBA or it is meaningless. Let's say we take a 10% cut to our hourly rates, but now we are paid that rate for TAFB. Did we come out ahead?

I'm not advocating signing off on less than we feel we're worth, but simple % claims are useless without the fine print. Min Day, Pay for VTS, DC Contribution . . . . . All can vastly alter your takehome at the end of the day despite what % we may/may not get. The hourly rate is just a multiplier. It's been said over and over, but the devil is in the details.

Kinda like the NNP, leaked hourly rates (not saying Sailing floated a trial balloon) are meaningless without the accompanying language.

Pro Fessional

Well, that's a total of about 30% (actually 29.36%) compounded one year and seven months from now.

... Or we could walk away and still be in Section 6 negotiations then with no end in sight. The absurdity of saying "anything less than 30% is a NO vote" without any regard for the rest of the TA and considering the time value of money amazes me. To those of you making statements like that - have you considered how big of a raise it will take three or four years from now at the conclusion of prolonged Section 6 negotiations to make up for 3 or 4 years of no raises in the meantime?

Me? I will evaluate any TA in its whole. I have not developed any "lines in the sand." I would love to get back to C2K rates, especially adjusted for inflation, but I will be pragmatic when I evaluate any TA. We should all do the same.

52Lobstah

Dont anybody get peeved at me. It's what I heard. Verify my post and blast me when I am wrong. I am just here drinking beers and shooting deers (not this time of year) that's how I roll.
I will tell you that 22% increase in hourly rate by 2013 will pass muster (58% approval) depending on the rest of the deal.

LeineLodge

Not getting peeved. You got it right with the part in bold. Too many factors to make a statement about any of this yet.

More Bacon

It's more than just the pay, my man. It's also scope, work rules, and other QOL issues.

But you knew that. DALPA would love to make this just about the "time value" of a minimal raise.

We need to keep our eye on the ball--with or without DALPA's help.

iaflyer

Buzz - as much as that 0445 show should be yours, because, well, you're Buzz, swaps aren't allowed in the last six days of a month while PBS is being processed. It's because PCS doesn't know the reserve coverage for June yet, so it doesn't know how your swap might affect reserve coverage in June. Yes, it's the same days and all, but PCS is just following the rules.

Check Essential

I'll wait and have a look at this TA.

Moak and his disciples have invested nearly a decade in constructive engagement. During that time, we've given management pretty much everything they wanted. We fought against the USAir takeover, we signed all their JVs and codeshares, we facilitated and largely made possible the smoothest merger in history, we've been docile and cooperative on scope, we've lobbied the politicians for RJ slots at LaGuardia, etc. etc.

If these rumors of a TA are true, then we should know in the next few days whether that investment has paid off.

buzzpat

Yeah, got it IA. I called DALPA and got the same answer. I thought there might be some sort of buzzpat LOA but no such luck.