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Old 05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Wow. This one statement is like a stab to my heart. I truly believed we would end up with a 30 percent raise up front. I assumed my fellow pilot group was expecting 2002 rates not adjusted for inflation (about 42 percent raise). The sad thing is I thought I managed my expectations down myself so I wouldn't be disappointed.
I'm with you, 30% is the bottom for me. Along with no scope give aways and better min day, it's a NO from me if we don't see at least 30% day one.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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There is no way Richard Anderson could go to the board of our Company and tell them "Hey guys, it cost us some money, but we got it done early." The only thing he (or any manager in his position) could do is report the outstanding deal he got through proactive engagement.

Nothing against anyone if this early bite at the apple fails. Both sides worked hard in good faith.

Given that this (and whatever we negotiate before a strike vote) is going to be relatively cost neutral, I am fine with not selling scope or work rules for pay.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The number in the contract surveys was below 30 percent so I doubt you will see the company move above where we opened.
Well, when we have no way of officially knowing what number was reflected in the contract survey, then we have to take DALPA's word for it.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The number in the contract surveys was below 30 percent so I doubt you will see the company move above where we opened.
Relax sailing. We get it.

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Old 05-14-2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
FAIL.
You'd better leave that sort of statistical chicanery to zen master alfaromeo.
Did you really intend for people to see just how much our pay has increased compared to LUVs and then realize we STILL haven't caught up?
OK, Check. Those are facts. Why don't you pick a different time frame and provide your results. I'll wait.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:00 PM
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I heard 10% date of approval and 12% 01 Jan 2013. 22% to start and 5% Jan 2014. 3 year deal. That's all I heard on hourly rates.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Herk, that's a great point. Here's my highly scientific poll:

80% of forum posters vote NO on everything
50% of forum lurkers vote NO on everything
80% of non-forum pilots vote YES on everything

Ergo, since the forum crowd is such a minority, TAs always pass with 60-70% yes votes.

This time will be no different....

Signed,
PG
(I've voted NO more times than YES)
Yea right........
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
OK, Check. Those are facts. Why don't you pick a different time frame and provide your results. I'll wait.
I'm not disputing your facts. I'm just drawing a different conclusion.
I examined the statistics you provided and I concluded the following:

We've received regular raises and our pay still sucks.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 52Lobstah
I heard 10% date of approval and 12% 01 Jan 2013. 22% to start and 5% Jan 2014. 3 year deal. That's all I heard on hourly rates.
I will judge the whole thing when complete, but so far this is no fn way.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
I'm not disputing your facts. I'm just drawing a different conclusion.
I examined the statistics you provided and I concluded the following:

We've received regular raises and our pay still sucks.
I completely agree! So, what's your suggestion? So far, we have very distinct approaches, yielding very distinct results.
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