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05-13-2012, 12:31 PM
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There are some items that are concessions but that is why they call it negotiations. Each side has to get something out of the deal. Management has a virtual 4 or 5 year free pass from the NMB if we want to act like thugs and just make demands. Please go ask American, United, Continental, and US Airways how their demand based negotiations have worked out. So do you want to wait 4 or 5 years or do you want to have a real negotiation that actually occurs in the grown up world?
IF we reach a deal, then we will improve every section of our contract, especially Section 1. We will also shove hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in our pockets, IF we can reach a deal. A deal involves both sides agreeing. So unless you have someone's family member duct taped inside a closet, you better be ready to have some give and take at the table.
If you offer a monkey hundreds and hundreds of bananas and then want a few back, what do you think the monkey will do? Even a monkey will make that trade. So go ahead and vote no and complain, because you never stop complaining anyway. See, that is what it is like when I am condescending. Can you take it, or do you just dish it out?
Not addressing the JV's and the ill advised MOU that extended balancing to three years is not improving section 1.
Not curtailing the the Alaska code share is not improving section 1.
These are not concessions for the sake of negotiations and "stuffing hundreds and hundreds of millions in our pockets" that are exceptable.
The finished work of the TA will be telling. Let's see if DALPA can grasp this concept. Like many have said her before, one ping and one ping only.
05-13-2012, 12:38 PM
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05-13-2012, 12:41 PM
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Concessions? How about instead of alfa's "hundreds and hundreds of millions stuffed in our pockets," we go with the billion a year in concessions given in BK plus SWA's section 1.
For that we will agree not only to wear hats.... ALWAYS, but amend the uniform policy and FOM grooming policy as well and adopt the Captain Catfish uniform model.
Fair trade, right
05-13-2012, 12:44 PM
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05-13-2012, 12:45 PM
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For some reason when I quoted you, your statement that these boards dont represent the interests of the average delta pilot disappeared.
I guess in that case they must represent the interests of the average delta manager.
05-13-2012, 12:53 PM
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Well, thanks for offering your constructive debate. I guess you don't have any constructive debate to add.
For some reason when I quoted you, your statement that these boards dont represent the interests of the average delta pilot disappeared.
I guess in that case they must represent the interests of the average delta manager.
For some reason when I quoted you, your statement that these boards dont represent the interests of the average delta pilot disappeared.
I guess in that case they must represent the interests of the average delta manager.
Hmmmm. Herkflyr? A quick google check shows that the Marines flew C-130's, thus highly likely then
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05-13-2012, 12:58 PM
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Glad I took the weekend off
05-13-2012, 01:08 PM
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No one said anything about voting no, I just stated that despite your efforts to spin and sell, others will be here challenging you on it. They will laud the successes and criticize the fails. Do you have a problem with that?
Do you have a problem with others that will do a detailed tear down and analysis of section 1 and then all the others and share their ideas?
How about if their opinions are different from the MEC memebers and their communications arm?
Will you be able take it?
05-13-2012, 01:15 PM
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I enjoy reading the threads here, but I find myself thinking the representation here is narrow in relation to the pilot group. I've been at delta about 14 years and although I understand the importance of scope, there are other important issues to me and, I believe, to us as a pilot group. It seems reasonable to me that during a normal negotiation, both sides make concessions. It seems logical to me that at some point, being unwilling to make some concessions could be counterproductive. I don't understand the idea of being unwilling to compromise on one individual issue, regardless of what else is on the table. I also feel that although the piloting profession has suffered in terms of wages in real dollars; advancements in safety, navigation and communication make the job more comfortable today then when it enjoyed greater compensation. I don't follow these issues as closely as most people here do. I'm open to changing my mind, but for now I tend to think the opinions here are mostly an unrealistic minority view.
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