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Old 05-12-2012, 11:29 AM
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So, you're saying I'm not?
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:32 AM
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13 days is what I am willing to work for 70 hours pay. As a commuter (I know, it's a choice), short call days are spent away from home therefore I consider them work days. I spend long call days at home, Even though I have to be ready to go, I am at home so I do not consider those work days. Obviously I can never plan on a long call day. Doing the math, I am happy with 70 hours pay any month where I get 5 long calls. I have been getting 5 or more long calls pretty consistently since September. I expect this to change in June.

I personally am not willing to give up what is in the negotiator's notepad for a higher guarantee. I can live with not getting credit for short call. It infuriates me though that lineholders get more credit for the exact same trip. Once you are assigned a trip on reserve, you should be treated as a lineholder for that trip. I had one trip on reserve towards the end of the month where I was about to break guarantee by about 4 hours. Our plane broke at an outstation in the middle of the day right after we pushed. 7 hours later we were flying that same plane back to ATL. Our last turn was obviously given to another crew. My captain got paid for it. I didn't even though we finished when we were supposed to. My point is reserves do not get cancellation pay. The 5:15 look-back is pretty much worthless due to dead-head only days and trips with less duty periods than calender days.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If it wasn't for my awesome APC brethren, I'd be without it as well. Thanks, guys.
Would you please send them my way? Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:40 AM
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Interesting. So somewhere between 10 and 16 days/month is the sweet spot. What would that number be in your case? How many days/month would you be willing to work on reserve and be happy. Not flaming.. just asking.

Also, you have hit on something else that I don't think many realize either. Reserve differences due to seasonality, and how short calls are assigned. I find it really interesting that during the high op tempo months of summer (at least in my category) you will see 2-3 or so SC's per day, yet the flying has increased dramatically. In the winter months, when flying has throttled back considerably, we have MORE guys sitting SC. Why is that? Wouldn't an increase in flying during the summer months require a corresponding increase in SC requirements? Logic would tell me that it would because you have more opportunities for last minute sick outs... All of this tells me that there is NO.. as in zero logic to the assignation of said short calls. But all is well, we are gonna allow 7/month...
In my category, there are more short call pilots available in the winter months because there are more reserves available. This is true in my category for weekends also. You will see every reserve on a weekend either flying or on short call. There might be 1 or 2 short calls available. On Monday, there are 8-9 short calls given out and hardly any reserves being assigned trips.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:42 AM
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It's important for our pilots that have not sat reserve in years or ever to understand that this negotiator's notepad is concessionary and will affect everyone. Every single category will need less pilots.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:46 AM
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Quick question... anyone know what the min required time between short calls is if you do them two days in a row? For example, if I had a short call from 10am to 10pm, what time the next day would I be eligible for another short call?
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:48 AM
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Quick question... anyone know what the min required time between short calls is if you do them two days in a row? For example, if I had a short call from 10am to 10pm, what time the next day would I be eligible for another short call?
8am. 10 hour separation of SCs.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I haven't really thought about it that much. But if we were to get 5.5 hours/day.. that would be 13... 5/day would be 14... I guess I could live with either.
I'm cool with that. Instead of increasing the reserve guarantee and asking us to work more and need less pilots in category, I say they keep it at 70 and we are only required 14 days on call.
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
It infuriates me though that lineholders get more credit for the exact same trip. Once you are assigned a trip on reserve, you should be treated as a lineholder for that trip. I had one trip on reserve towards the end of the month where I was about to break guarantee by about 4 hours. Our plane broke at an outstation in the middle of the day right after we pushed. 7 hours later we were flying that same plane back to ATL. Our last turn was obviously given to another crew. My captain got paid for it. I didn't even though we finished when we were supposed to.
Per Sailingfun and Dalad, you sir are a liar. You are simply junior and one day you will be senior, suck it up. Reserve is a choice anyway.
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Old 05-12-2012, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I'm cool with that. Instead of increasing the reserve guarantee and asking us to work more and need less pilots in category, I say they keep it at 70 and we are only required 14 days on call.
Giddy up. Add in even a modest amount of control/biddability for your report time on day one (PM short call, trip preferences, etc) and 14 or even 15 days on would be way better than 6 (or 7) land mine short calls, mid reserve non commutable long call days and the current dart board methods used today. Just like a great commutable (which benefit locals too) 15 day off line is better than a nightmare 18 day off early/late, one day off between crap trips line, so is a corresponding reserve schedule.

Almost 100 hours a year extra pay in your guarantee and 24 extra days off a year (at 30%+ more pay) is the profitable LCC standard yet the NNP doesn't even come remotely close to that.
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