Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-11-2012, 04:57 AM
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Unless we are in the ATR business, there is not much left to pick from. Fleet as of April 2012:
Airbus A319-133 1 VIP for UB Group Airbus A320-232 5
Airbus A321-232 1
Airbus A319-133 1 VIP for UB Group Airbus A320-232 5
Airbus A321-232 1
05-11-2012, 04:58 AM
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For several months Comair's website had a picture of a Shatakwa EMB-145 on the home page.
When this ruffled feathers, it was explained that "the future of the airline is in contract maintenance, and we want potential customers to know we can fix more than just CRJs."
Yeahhhhh, right...
When this ruffled feathers, it was explained that "the future of the airline is in contract maintenance, and we want potential customers to know we can fix more than just CRJs."
Yeahhhhh, right...
This could be the on again, off again, threats that are so common to try to manipulate the Comair pilots. If so, that's been going on for eight years or so.
05-11-2012, 05:05 AM
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05-11-2012, 05:05 AM
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You're not missing anything. Everything that we have that is factual says the negotiation is going very badly for us. We need to get this done quick though according to our union or the opportunity will be lost. The facts are that everything that has been negotiated is cost-neutral or better to the company. The company has not agreed to one big money change as far as I know. You can either follow your gut or go against it and believe that everything is going great.
FWIW, I hope the union brings us something with substantial gains that I can vote yes on. I cannot vote yes on anything that allows more 76 seat regional jets. ACL is trying to spin it as something that could be good for us That makes no sense what-so-ever. I don't get it.
FWIW, I hope the union brings us something with substantial gains that I can vote yes on. I cannot vote yes on anything that allows more 76 seat regional jets. ACL is trying to spin it as something that could be good for us That makes no sense what-so-ever. I don't get it.
The problem is exacerbated by ALPA not being internally forthright and trying to tell itself "this is not a scope sale" when in reality the only reason the company is eager for a deal is their need to re-fleet the airline with airplanes that are outsourced.
D-ALPA is a brilliant machine, terrific at executing tactical campaigns, but lacking in clear strategic objectives.
05-11-2012, 05:11 AM
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As usual, by being against unity, ALPA has no coherent strategy and is rife with internal conflicts as it tries to divide and allocate a fixed amount of resources.
The problem is exacerbated by ALPA not being internally forthright and trying to tell itself "this is not a scope sale" when in reality the only reason the company is eager for a deal is their need to re-fleet the airline with airplanes that are outsourced.
I am beginning to understand D-ALPA as a brilliant machine at executing tactical campaigns, but completely lacking clear strategic objectives.
The problem is exacerbated by ALPA not being internally forthright and trying to tell itself "this is not a scope sale" when in reality the only reason the company is eager for a deal is their need to re-fleet the airline with airplanes that are outsourced.
I am beginning to understand D-ALPA as a brilliant machine at executing tactical campaigns, but completely lacking clear strategic objectives.
05-11-2012, 05:11 AM
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05-11-2012, 05:16 AM
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Before you and ACL say "merger" that would be putting the cart in front of the horse. Usually a new contract is a form of inducement for a process agreement. Management is not going to do a deal just to have to do a deal again once they need labor peace.
Management is not eager to pay us more money. They want something else.
05-11-2012, 05:18 AM
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Are you serious? All I have for "facts" are some deliberately vague bullet points. Please share your facts with me so I can also make up my mind on how I will vote now.
05-11-2012, 05:25 AM
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Sincere question. Have you read the negotiators notepad? To sum up; a guy can earn more by flying more block hours. Work rule concessions will facilitate this, but the rub is that premium pay will all but vanish and credit will be reduced.
It reminds me a lot of the old regional airline days when I called my father to tell him about my 98 hour month and he responded, "yeah, but how much of that is credit ?" The response, "what's credit? That's 98 hours of block time."
The thing is, with the level of our outsourcing and various fleet types our planners don't have the flexibility to build efficient schedules with that kind of block (resulting in a lot of the credit we have now). I've started trying to build schedules based on the new rules and the results are pretty brutal.
At the regionals it was "fly until you puke" or in other terms, fly until you just could not take it any more and then call in sick to get some clean clothes and try to talk your wife (ie single mom) into not running away to her parents house.
05-11-2012, 05:28 AM
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Name one other reason the Company might desire a modification of our current contract.
Before you and ACL say "merger" that would be putting the cart in front of the horse. Usually a new contract is a form of inducement for a process agreement. Management is not going to do a deal just to have to do a deal again once they need labor peace.
Management is not eager to pay us more money. They want something else.
Before you and ACL say "merger" that would be putting the cart in front of the horse. Usually a new contract is a form of inducement for a process agreement. Management is not going to do a deal just to have to do a deal again once they need labor peace.
Management is not eager to pay us more money. They want something else.
I'm not saying that re-fleeting isn't A reason, just not the only reason.
There are numerous possible reasons. Since I don't work in every department in DAL and don't have ties to Goldman, I don't know all the opportunities the company sees forming on the horizon.
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