Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-10-2012, 06:02 PM
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That's fine, but I'd like to talk about THIS round of negotiations and THIS TA.
I appreciate that no one can have the bigger picture 100% nailed down. But I'm asking a very specific question of you. And it is: If this TA comes out with substantial gains in all areas, but allows Delta to fly MORE 76 seat jets without Delta pilots, will you vote YES or NO?
Carl
I appreciate that no one can have the bigger picture 100% nailed down. But I'm asking a very specific question of you. And it is: If this TA comes out with substantial gains in all areas, but allows Delta to fly MORE 76 seat jets without Delta pilots, will you vote YES or NO?
Carl
05-10-2012, 06:06 PM
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That's fine, but I'd like to talk about THIS round of negotiations and THIS TA.
I appreciate that no one can have the bigger picture 100% nailed down. But I'm asking a very specific question of you. And it is: If this TA comes out with substantial gains in all areas, but allows Delta to fly MORE 76 seat jets without Delta pilots, will you vote YES or NO?
Carl
I appreciate that no one can have the bigger picture 100% nailed down. But I'm asking a very specific question of you. And it is: If this TA comes out with substantial gains in all areas, but allows Delta to fly MORE 76 seat jets without Delta pilots, will you vote YES or NO?
Carl
Based on the rumors and not the TA, which is what you are asking, my vote will be NO.
I will also vote NO if top and middle end scope is not fixed. I want to see a path to performing all Dal flying. If that is there, I will vote yes, if not I cannot vote in favor of an agreement with 100% pay raises. Money does not matter is we leak leverage out of flying all over the list.
I will read the whole TA and give it the debate and contemplation that this pilot group deserves. We as a group need to see growth that is not short term and allows pilots stagnated to progress. If that happens it will pass no matter what the APC gang says or does. I know that and you know that.
I will also state that we think we know what is going on. At best we have part of the picture.
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05-10-2012, 06:07 PM
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ACL,
Please outline your basis for stating the concessions thus far agreed to are less than changes in our direct compensation.
You got a bet? I'll see your bet. In fact, lets get one of the attorneys on this board to hold it in escrow as a derivative trade against a suck deal. I'll open at $1,000 ... payable on ls whether management tells investors it is cost neutral, or increases efficiency.
The MEC better start feeding Pinho a lot of fiber.
Please outline your basis for stating the concessions thus far agreed to are less than changes in our direct compensation.
You got a bet? I'll see your bet. In fact, lets get one of the attorneys on this board to hold it in escrow as a derivative trade against a suck deal. I'll open at $1,000 ... payable on ls whether management tells investors it is cost neutral, or increases efficiency.
The MEC better start feeding Pinho a lot of fiber.
05-10-2012, 06:11 PM
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Hey Carl,
Just to be clear. Are you talking about converting all 255 aircraft to 76 seaters (crj 900/emb 175) or adding additional 64/69/76 seaters (CRM 700, 900, emb 170, 175) to the 255 count? Both options suck but the latter sucks da mostest!
Hoserpilot
Just to be clear. Are you talking about converting all 255 aircraft to 76 seaters (crj 900/emb 175) or adding additional 64/69/76 seaters (CRM 700, 900, emb 170, 175) to the 255 count? Both options suck but the latter sucks da mostest!
Hoserpilot
05-10-2012, 06:11 PM
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ACL,
Please outline your basis for stating the concessions thus far agreed to are less than changes in our direct compensation.
You got a bet? I'll see your bet. In fact, lets get one of the attorneys on this board to hold it in escrow as a derivative trade against a suck deal. I'll open at $1,000 ... payable on ls whether management tells investors it is cost neutral, or increases efficiency.
You can't factually defend the MEC's talking points.
Please outline your basis for stating the concessions thus far agreed to are less than changes in our direct compensation.
You got a bet? I'll see your bet. In fact, lets get one of the attorneys on this board to hold it in escrow as a derivative trade against a suck deal. I'll open at $1,000 ... payable on ls whether management tells investors it is cost neutral, or increases efficiency.
You can't factually defend the MEC's talking points.
On top of that my attorney and financial planner do not allow me to bet on anything
As it stands now it's apparent pilots want pay and are willing to be more efficient to get it. That said the work rule changes will not pay for the raises in whole. If that is what is taed if will not pass the MEC.
We are making money and projected to make a lot more.
I am not going to listen to the talking points, I and a few others are going to cost the deal out.
05-10-2012, 06:11 PM
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DISAGREE - I have 10 years left and I care about Scope because if the airline doesn't grow (at the bottom, at the middle and at the top) then I will be stuck where I am (737 F/O) until the day I retire. Scope will at least give me a chance to move up.
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05-10-2012, 06:16 PM
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Motojoe,
Nice pic. Are you still a Captain at United?
05-10-2012, 06:21 PM
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I will also vote NO if top and middle end scope is not fixed. I want to see a path to performing all Dal flying. If that is there, I will vote yes, if not I cannot vote in favor of an agreement with 100% pay raises. Money does not matter is we leak leverage out of flying all over the list.
Carl
05-10-2012, 06:23 PM
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$1 says motojoe = someone who is not what they infer trying to get everyone riled up.
if you don't care, then I bet you don't care to hang out here in the first place. its not the alpa boards, its still based on rumors, there are junior guys here, there are regional guys here, there are junior guys who used to be regional guys here and the porn is tempered.
those who don't care, just want my raise types, are probably not here to begin with. and frankly, doubt they're even on the internet. it's just a fad.
if you don't care, then I bet you don't care to hang out here in the first place. its not the alpa boards, its still based on rumors, there are junior guys here, there are regional guys here, there are junior guys who used to be regional guys here and the porn is tempered.
those who don't care, just want my raise types, are probably not here to begin with. and frankly, doubt they're even on the internet. it's just a fad.
05-10-2012, 06:24 PM
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Everybodt needs to sit back and take a deep breath. We have not seen anything yet that is final. I want to wait and see the TA, then we can look at it in its entirety.
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