Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-10-2012, 01:21 PM
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05-10-2012, 01:29 PM
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05-10-2012, 01:32 PM
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Just looking at the Negotiator's Notepad and thinking about the low productivity trips we have now (10.5 hour three days). Seems like it would be possible to build rotations like:
ATL>UIO (24 hour sit) UIO>ATL (drop off line holder, sit for two hours) then fly a turn, ATL>CHS>ATL.
If the goal in the summer is ALV +15, there are going to be a lot of penalty laps into and out of uncommutable trips. What am I missing?
Delta already owned and operated two 121 airlines with little in the way of work rules. They are experienced in this sort of operation.
ATL>UIO (24 hour sit) UIO>ATL (drop off line holder, sit for two hours) then fly a turn, ATL>CHS>ATL.
If the goal in the summer is ALV +15, there are going to be a lot of penalty laps into and out of uncommutable trips. What am I missing?
Delta already owned and operated two 121 airlines with little in the way of work rules. They are experienced in this sort of operation.
2. UIO-ATL is a redeye... we are done after we fly a redeye. It doesn't matter if you are a reserve or lineholder. It's unsafe and not practiced.
3. The ALV+15 thing would rarely be used. It's been over a year since I've even come close to hitting ALV, despite being in a much shorter category prior to my current fleet. In 5 years I've hit ALV twice.
05-10-2012, 01:32 PM
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05-10-2012, 01:35 PM
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Wish I could have been there too TC. But I take issue with what I've bolded above and would ask you to consider this carefully. There is such a thing as a poison pill in a contract. You may have struck the best deal in the world for selling your home...way above market price with a quick closing while the new owners give you all the time you wish to move out. You even get to come back anytime you want for visits. But there's one teeny little sentence in there...just one. It says that you still have to pay the mortgage for the new owners. Now the totality of the agreement is incredible - but how about that one little sentence?
Delta's C2K contract looked good in its totalilty at the time. But there WAS a poison pill in it whereby more large RJ's were accepted. That single provision allowed for furloughing thousands of our brother pilots while the regionals hired thousands.
I know this will sound hard headed by me, but no matter how good this TA ends up looking (and it already is concessionary), all that good is nullified if we allow more 76 seat jets to be flown by non-Delta pilots. That is our poison pill. If we send the TA back to the negotiating committee with a single note saying: "We're fine with this except remove the allowance of any more 76 seaters"...and the company turns us down flat and walks away, you'll understand EXACTLY what management's plan was. If you vote to allow it, you'll soon learn EXACTLY what management's plan is.
Carl - the hard head.
Delta's C2K contract looked good in its totalilty at the time. But there WAS a poison pill in it whereby more large RJ's were accepted. That single provision allowed for furloughing thousands of our brother pilots while the regionals hired thousands.
I know this will sound hard headed by me, but no matter how good this TA ends up looking (and it already is concessionary), all that good is nullified if we allow more 76 seat jets to be flown by non-Delta pilots. That is our poison pill. If we send the TA back to the negotiating committee with a single note saying: "We're fine with this except remove the allowance of any more 76 seaters"...and the company turns us down flat and walks away, you'll understand EXACTLY what management's plan was. If you vote to allow it, you'll soon learn EXACTLY what management's plan is.
Carl - the hard head.
I've spent my time on the street and when I came back all the 72's and 73-200's were gone and replaced by Shiney RJ's. I get it! But I haven't seen one thing in writing regarding scope, only speculation. Perhaps I missed it. I'm completely open to suggestions..... Should I just not look at the TA, because I think I may not like what it says.
I've talked to my Reps. I actually have flown with one of the guys on the NC while he was trying to keep current and was very specific about what I expected. I decided long ago what I require to vote yes and what will cause me to vote it down.
I'm asking with all sincerity, what course of action do you recommend I take, what are you telling your fellow 74 guys? I've listened to all the parties, including what the DPA has had to say. Where is the hard proposal of which way we should go. I'm not looking for vague answers. I'm looking for people that are going to lead us to the next step.
Take a room of 100 people and 98 of them will tell you why you can't do something. Are you one of the other two? Either lead, follow or get out of the way.
Respectfully,
TC
05-10-2012, 01:38 PM
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05-10-2012, 01:39 PM
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Carl,
I've spent my time on the street and when I came back all the 72's and 73-200's were gone and replaced by Shiney RJ's. I get it! But I haven't seen one thing in writing regarding scope, only speculation. Perhaps I missed it. I'm completely open to suggestions..... Should I just not look at the TA, because I think I may not like what it says.
I've talked to my Reps. I actually have flown with one of the guys on the NC while he was trying to keep current and was very specific about what I expected. I decided long ago what I require to vote yes and what will cause me to vote it down.
I'm asking with all sincerity, what course of action do you recommend I take, what are you telling your fellow 74 guys? I've listened to all the parties, including what the DPA has had to say. Where is the hard proposal of which way we should go. I'm not looking for vague answers. I'm looking for people that are going to lead us to the next step.
Take a room of 100 people and 98 of them will tell you why you can't do something. Are you one of the other two? Either lead, follow or get out of the way.
Respectfully,
TC
I've spent my time on the street and when I came back all the 72's and 73-200's were gone and replaced by Shiney RJ's. I get it! But I haven't seen one thing in writing regarding scope, only speculation. Perhaps I missed it. I'm completely open to suggestions..... Should I just not look at the TA, because I think I may not like what it says.
I've talked to my Reps. I actually have flown with one of the guys on the NC while he was trying to keep current and was very specific about what I expected. I decided long ago what I require to vote yes and what will cause me to vote it down.
I'm asking with all sincerity, what course of action do you recommend I take, what are you telling your fellow 74 guys? I've listened to all the parties, including what the DPA has had to say. Where is the hard proposal of which way we should go. I'm not looking for vague answers. I'm looking for people that are going to lead us to the next step.
Take a room of 100 people and 98 of them will tell you why you can't do something. Are you one of the other two? Either lead, follow or get out of the way.
Respectfully,
TC
05-10-2012, 01:52 PM
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Carl,
I've spent my time on the street and when I came back all the 72's and 73-200's were gone and replaced by Shiney RJ's. I get it! But I haven't seen one thing in writing regarding scope, only speculation. Perhaps I missed it. I'm completely open to suggestions..... Should I just not look at the TA, because I think I may not like what it says.
I've talked to my Reps. I actually have flown with one of the guys on the NC while he was trying to keep current and was very specific about what I expected. I decided long ago what I require to vote yes and what will cause me to vote it down.
I'm asking with all sincerity, what course of action do you recommend I take, what are you telling your fellow 74 guys? I've listened to all the parties, including what the DPA has had to say. Where is the hard proposal of which way we should go. I'm not looking for vague answers. I'm looking for people that are going to lead us to the next step.
I've spent my time on the street and when I came back all the 72's and 73-200's were gone and replaced by Shiney RJ's. I get it! But I haven't seen one thing in writing regarding scope, only speculation. Perhaps I missed it. I'm completely open to suggestions..... Should I just not look at the TA, because I think I may not like what it says.
I've talked to my Reps. I actually have flown with one of the guys on the NC while he was trying to keep current and was very specific about what I expected. I decided long ago what I require to vote yes and what will cause me to vote it down.
I'm asking with all sincerity, what course of action do you recommend I take, what are you telling your fellow 74 guys? I've listened to all the parties, including what the DPA has had to say. Where is the hard proposal of which way we should go. I'm not looking for vague answers. I'm looking for people that are going to lead us to the next step.
The regionals have actually shown us the way on this. Some have voted their TA's down after they'd been ratified by their MEC's. The MEC's then sent out another survey. The MEC's picked the top 5 items in the survey, went back to the negotiating table and quickly produced another TA that was voted in by a large majority. It CAN be done. In our case, if the MEC ratifies an agreement that allows Delta to fly additional 76 seat jets using non-Delta pilots, that's the poison pill. If we send it back with that ONLY point of contention, we'll quickly learn how badly the company really wants it. If they scuttle the deal, we'll know exactly how bad the company wanted it...and as such, how lucky we were not to swallow the poison pill.
Does that make sense? Hope that's specific enough. BTW, I'm definitely not picking on you as I enjoy your posts.
Carl
05-10-2012, 02:14 PM
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05-10-2012, 02:24 PM
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Delta's purchase of the refinery was with the assistance from JP Morgan right? They are the ones going to purchase the fuel and deliver it an all right? Is it the same JP Morgan that is doing this great on wall street right now?
JPMorgan trading unit suffers big loss - May. 10, 2012
JPMorgan trading unit suffers big loss - May. 10, 2012
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