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05-10-2012, 12:31 PM
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OE scheduling is a world unto itself. I finished ER school on a Tuesday night, commuted home Wednesday morning and commuted back to ATL Thursday morning to start OE. Regarding pay: No. You will get a schedule (reserve or line, whatever you can hold) and get paid accordingly. Failure to bid puts you at the mercy of the computer.
05-10-2012, 12:36 PM
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05-10-2012, 12:38 PM
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Good responses, I think the guy's heart is in the right place & I see where he's coming from, but his wording was awkward and provoked a pretty harsh response from posters you'd expect to be scope allies.
Perhaps my experience is atypical, but I've found the majority of regional guys to be scope hawks, and potential allies for major airline pilots in the fight to rein in scope. For those of us interested in a future beyond the regionals, our interests align with mainline pilots. Unfortunately, the interests of a growing contingent of regional lifers do not align with mainline pilots, and they tend to be heavily active in our unions & overrepresented on our MECs (see: Lawson, RJDC).
Perhaps my experience is atypical, but I've found the majority of regional guys to be scope hawks, and potential allies for major airline pilots in the fight to rein in scope. For those of us interested in a future beyond the regionals, our interests align with mainline pilots. Unfortunately, the interests of a growing contingent of regional lifers do not align with mainline pilots, and they tend to be heavily active in our unions & overrepresented on our MECs (see: Lawson, RJDC).
Carl
05-10-2012, 12:47 PM
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05-10-2012, 12:48 PM
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05-10-2012, 12:49 PM
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05-10-2012, 12:58 PM
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The TWA acceptance (like AirTran acceptance of their SLI) and all the others is what ALL contract talks are about. They all feel like a gun is pointed at you. That's by design. The company sees to that. My point to you is that when you post what you've posted, you're yet another union pilot that is doing the work of management. Your statements had the effect of trying to show Delta pilots that they are in a no-win situation and will probably have "no choice" but to vote FOR a contract with scope concessions in it.
You and I have no idea what management's true plans are. No line pilot really does...even if you've signed an NDA and think you're being told "inside stuff" by senior management. Therefore, voting because of a perceived threat of a management plan that may or may not even be a real management plan is foolish. It simply shows management that you're another pilot group completely movable by fear. You don't help the effort of Delta pilots by stoking that fear.
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Carl
05-10-2012, 01:04 PM
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The best rule of thumb is to bid a regular line during IQ training and get as much time as you can. Yes I do believe the OE guys could put you on a trip during those last 5 days. A call to them a couple of weeks prior could give you more info.
Denny
05-10-2012, 01:13 PM
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Thanks ACL for posting the Officer's report. Good synopsis of the meeting. I'm glad that I went, although the information that was covered was mostly items we've discussed here.
Ran into some of the APC team in the meeting. They were easy to pick out at the first break, beacause only a handful of us were walking around using the hand signals that TImbo suggested.
Understandably there is a great deal of angst floating around in the pilot group. The last decade or more has been brutal to the pilot group. Having said that, I believe our Reps are doing a good job of soliciting our input and are being responsive to us. I believe we will see a TA very soon and it will stand or fail on its own merits. If we wind up in traditional Section 6, then we're where we would be anyway. If the TA passes, it's because it met most of our requirements. The Union knows where the pilot group stands and so does the company.
Think of it this way, this is an "opportunity" for the us and the company to further seperate ourselves from the competition. We are pulling away from our competitors and this would allow us to continue to increase that lead. If the company presents a substandard proposal, it's a lost opportunity for the company and could cause more difficulties within DALPA. I fully believe that this is not what our management team wants, and would not be characteristic of group that is know in the industry to be thinking out of the box.
This contract is huge for many of us. Personally, I'm in a demographic that will be enormously and immediately effected by what we do with regard to scope. This may be huge to us, but a perception I have that was strengthened in the meeting is that this is a housekeeping item for the company. The company is trying to get everything in order for a couple of moves that are so far over the horizon that only a couple of us are really able to start connecting the dots. This contract is a small dot along that trajectory.
Personally, I'm taking a deep breath, waiting for the TA and judge in it's entirety.
TC
Ran into some of the APC team in the meeting. They were easy to pick out at the first break, beacause only a handful of us were walking around using the hand signals that TImbo suggested.
Understandably there is a great deal of angst floating around in the pilot group. The last decade or more has been brutal to the pilot group. Having said that, I believe our Reps are doing a good job of soliciting our input and are being responsive to us. I believe we will see a TA very soon and it will stand or fail on its own merits. If we wind up in traditional Section 6, then we're where we would be anyway. If the TA passes, it's because it met most of our requirements. The Union knows where the pilot group stands and so does the company.
Think of it this way, this is an "opportunity" for the us and the company to further seperate ourselves from the competition. We are pulling away from our competitors and this would allow us to continue to increase that lead. If the company presents a substandard proposal, it's a lost opportunity for the company and could cause more difficulties within DALPA. I fully believe that this is not what our management team wants, and would not be characteristic of group that is know in the industry to be thinking out of the box.
This contract is huge for many of us. Personally, I'm in a demographic that will be enormously and immediately effected by what we do with regard to scope. This may be huge to us, but a perception I have that was strengthened in the meeting is that this is a housekeeping item for the company. The company is trying to get everything in order for a couple of moves that are so far over the horizon that only a couple of us are really able to start connecting the dots. This contract is a small dot along that trajectory.
Personally, I'm taking a deep breath, waiting for the TA and judge in it's entirety.
TC
Delta's C2K contract looked good in its totalilty at the time. But there WAS a poison pill in it whereby more large RJ's were accepted. That single provision allowed for furloughing thousands of our brother pilots while the regionals hired thousands.
I know this will sound hard headed by me, but no matter how good this TA ends up looking (and it already is concessionary), all that good is nullified if we allow more 76 seat jets to be flown by non-Delta pilots. That is our poison pill. If we send the TA back to the negotiating committee with a single note saying: "We're fine with this except remove the allowance of any more 76 seaters"...and the company turns us down flat and walks away, you'll understand EXACTLY what management's plan was. If you vote to allow it, you'll soon learn EXACTLY what management's plan is.
Carl - the hard head.
05-10-2012, 01:15 PM
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Just looking at the Negotiator's Notepad and thinking about the low productivity trips we have now (10.5 hour three days). Seems like it would be possible to build rotations like:
ATL>UIO (24 hour sit) UIO>ATL (drop off line holder, sit for two hours) then fly a turn, ATL>CHS>ATL.
If the goal in the summer is ALV +15, there are going to be a lot of penalty laps into and out of uncommutable trips. What am I missing?
Delta already owned and operated two 121 airlines with little in the way of work rules. They are experienced in this sort of operation.
ATL>UIO (24 hour sit) UIO>ATL (drop off line holder, sit for two hours) then fly a turn, ATL>CHS>ATL.
If the goal in the summer is ALV +15, there are going to be a lot of penalty laps into and out of uncommutable trips. What am I missing?
Delta already owned and operated two 121 airlines with little in the way of work rules. They are experienced in this sort of operation.
Carl
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