Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-09-2009, 08:17 AM
#9831
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I know, it was directed at those former bus drivers and Boeing guys, not you MD guys! 
Is that a NWA procedure that we are adopting.
Also is "80 kts, Throttle Hold, Thrust Normal" your callout?
Is that a NWA procedure that we are adopting.
Also is "80 kts, Throttle Hold, Thrust Normal" your callout?
07-09-2009, 08:18 AM
#9832
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This is a problem... I brought it up to a DGS guy who did a crossing with us.
Because the 767's auto-transition into CLB power determined by the accel height in the box. It could potentially screw up any sort of NADP profile, especially if you decide to clean up high or are fly best angle until above grid MORA...all bets are off, you'll be constantly speed intervening and trying to fight the box and NOT concentrating on path stuff.
Not a problem if you are flying one fleet type...but we have so much variability between the 757er's and 767's, this could be an issue.
Because the 767's auto-transition into CLB power determined by the accel height in the box. It could potentially screw up any sort of NADP profile, especially if you decide to clean up high or are fly best angle until above grid MORA...all bets are off, you'll be constantly speed intervening and trying to fight the box and NOT concentrating on path stuff.
Not a problem if you are flying one fleet type...but we have so much variability between the 757er's and 767's, this could be an issue.
That is my thought. That is why I bring it up.
07-09-2009, 08:42 AM
#9833
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07-09-2009, 08:43 AM
#9834
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07-09-2009, 09:16 AM
#9835
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Not quite..it's fleet variable.
It depends on the FMA function during the takeoff. On the 757 (and probably whale) it's "80 knots, throttle hold."
If there isnt an FMA change to be noted, the callout is "thrust normal."
In the DC-10-30, the call out was "80 knots CLMP" (recognize anything about that?
), but in the -40 autothrottles couldn't be used during the takeoff roll, so it was "80 knots thrust normal."The idea is not to have a long littany of a call out like Delta seems to be fond of.... (engine instruments checked... out of __ for __... and our former autoland littany...)
07-09-2009, 09:25 AM
#9837
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Not quite..it's fleet variable.
It depends on the FMA function during the takeoff. On the 757 (and probably whale) it's "80 knots, throttle hold."
If there isnt an FMA change to be noted, the callout is "thrust normal."
In the DC-10-30, the call out was "80 knots CLMP" (recognize anything about that? ), but in the -40 autothrottles couldn't be used during the takeoff roll, so it was "80 knots thrust normal."
The idea is not to have a long littany of a call out like Delta seems to be fond of.... (engine instruments checked... out of __ for __... and our former autoland littany...)
It depends on the FMA function during the takeoff. On the 757 (and probably whale) it's "80 knots, throttle hold."
If there isnt an FMA change to be noted, the callout is "thrust normal."
In the DC-10-30, the call out was "80 knots CLMP" (recognize anything about that?
), but in the -40 autothrottles couldn't be used during the takeoff roll, so it was "80 knots thrust normal."The idea is not to have a long littany of a call out like Delta seems to be fond of.... (engine instruments checked... out of __ for __... and our former autoland littany...)
07-09-2009, 09:26 AM
#9838
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OK, its "thrust normal" in the DC9 (no AT) and "throttle hold" on the 757. Ref non standard clean up profiles simply program the climb page (was usually note on 10-7) accordingly during preflight, and brief it which is (was?) the procedure at N.
Personally I see a lot more issues with thrust management and FD's in not arming the VNAV. Sort of like if you ever forgot to enter the ZFW in the box (or so I've been told
)
Personally I see a lot more issues with thrust management and FD's in not arming the VNAV. Sort of like if you ever forgot to enter the ZFW in the box (or so I've been told
)
07-09-2009, 09:42 AM
#9839
Da Hudge
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OK, its "thrust normal" in the DC9 (no AT) and "throttle hold" on the 757. Ref non standard clean up profiles simply program the climb page (was usually note on 10-7) accordingly during preflight, and brief it which is (was?) the procedure at N.
Personally I see a lot more issues with thrust management and FD's in not arming the VNAV. Sort of like if you ever forgot to enter the ZFW in the box (or so I've been told)
Personally I see a lot more issues with thrust management and FD's in not arming the VNAV. Sort of like if you ever forgot to enter the ZFW in the box (or so I've been told
)Can't say that I've ever forgotten Vnav. Our callout at cleanup is "VNAV, climb power"
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