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Old 05-08-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
Really? Somebody was wrong on the internet?

Wow.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:32 AM
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Nice try 88. I know what I believe, and I couldn't care less what you think I believe about where we are going. Funny that you feel that having another life outside of this one is sticking your head in the sand. That is rather sad actually.
I never said anything of the sort. I have plenty of "life" outside of these boards and Delta. If we weren't in a deeply concessionary bankruptcy/emergency contract (which has a very profound effect on my current and future financial plans for my family), you probably wouldn't ever hear from me. I would be one of those guys you seem to admire so much who is totally out of touch with what's going on with Delta and ALPA. But I don't think I have that luxury. I haven't given up on this profession or my career. Therefore, I do what I can... which is to make my wishes known to my reps and to try and change a few minds here and on the DALPA Forum by making what I think are very logical, rational arguments. Often, those arguments are in conflict (contrary) to the direction taken by DALPA. It is what it is.

I get that you don't see it that way. And that's fine. Nobody is going to like everyone else's opinions. I'm certainly guilty of taking some cheap shots (like the head in the sand pic), but if you'll look at it with an open mind, I think you'll see that it is almost never something that I initiate and is almost always in response to the same.

Originally Posted by tsquare
I would think with your investment prowess that you would have lots more fun and be lots more profitable than worrying about where the company is going... and the simple fact that you as an individual can do nothing about it.
"Investment prowess?" That's hilarious. I have never claimed to have anything of the sort. I have recommended an investment method that I think is a good, steady way (objective is an average, consistent 12% annual yield) to build a retirement portfolio over time without taking a lot of risk. That is NOT a "get rich quick scheme." And having had to basically start over planning for my retirement halfway through my career, it hardly allows me to not worry about "where the company is going." Plus, I really like my job and want Delta to be successful long term. I care about what happens to this company. I also care about being compensated at a level that is commensurate with the difficulty of achieving success in this career, the risk we constantly have to our careers, and the tremendous responsibility we all have. But I'm sorry... I realize you don't want to think about all that. Maybe you could just put me on your "ignore list." That's a pretty good feature of this board, and then you wouldn't have to be agitated by reading my posts. Give it a try. It might make you feel better.

Originally Posted by tsquare
If you think you are really gonna change any minds here, I am thinking you are pretty well mistaken.
I know that I have changed some minds. Guys have told me that. But I realize I will never change your mind as it is already made up.

Originally Posted by tsquare
Guys who don't subscribe to your premise that C2K + COLA is attainable are probably not gonna come around to your way of thinking. Maybe it is YOUR head in the sand, and the air around it is the current state of the industry/economy... but I KNOW that I am not gonna change your mind either, so here we are.
You haven't read my posts very closely. I have said on several occasions that C2K+COLA is probably not attainable all at once. But I think it should be our objective. What I have also said is that SWA W2+ for our MD-88/90 pilots is my personal minimum. That would be about a 45% increase (whether through pay rates, work rules, or some combination). Anything less than that will be an automatic NO vote from me. Same goes for scope. It cannot be a "hold the line" type thing. It must begin to reverse the outsourcing or it gets an automatic NO vote from me. Those are my two "hot button" issues. I think I've previously spelled that out pretty clearly. Your mileage may vary.

Good luck with your blood pressure. Try that "ignore" feature. It just might help you.

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Old 05-08-2012, 08:52 AM
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Three posts back... isn't that technically overboob? Or do you call it undershirt? I appreciate any illustrated answer(s).

I think we should examine this more closely.

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Old 05-08-2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Three posts back... isn't that technically overboob? Or do you call it undershirt? I appreciate any illustrated answer(s).

I think we should examine this more closely.

Regards,

Sink r8.

Wow, I think it's a trifecta. Over, under and dare I say it aero.....nip...naw, can't do it, but you get the idea.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Three posts back... isn't that technically overboob? Or do you call it undershirt? I appreciate any illustrated answer(s).

I think we should examine this more closely.

Regards,

Sink r8.

I think you could almost call that one;

Stealth Boob!
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Wow, I think it's a trifecta. Over, under and dare I say it aero.....nip...naw, can't do it, but you get the idea.
If that were the state of florida, all but Miami is visible.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
So let ME get this straight. You come to an "anonymous" web forum for information to help form YOUR thinking...
Nah. Any information I manage to absorb is secondary.
I come here mostly to hang out with fellow breast enthusiasts.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I know that I have changed some minds. Guys have told me that. But I realize I will never change your mind as it is already made up.
Fascinating comment.


DAL 88 Driver,

I don't agree with some of what you say, and I don't agree with the suggestion the other union would get the job done, but I think your motivations are to better our circumstances, and that's good.

I only see one problem with what you post, and it's not related not a lack of reasoning or consistency. You have zero apparent interest in any viewpoint that doesn't fully conform to yours. You're very clever at using a person's post, but only for the purpose of crafting another version of your own argument. You know how to dissect, and you know how to read; you just refuse to actual consider.

It's like having a religious "discussion" with a born-again christian. You might think you're discussing something with them, but when you think back on it, you realize that you were just on the receiving end of an attempt to convert. Nothing you ever say could possibly matter, or change their outlook.

Makes you a great master-debater, but a lousy person to have a conversation with. It's a little like trying to arguing LBP with TSquare, when he's in that mood.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If that were the state of florida, all but Miami is visible.
Except noone's ever wanted to explore Miami that badly...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil
Elvis,

Your apology is accepted.

Your punishment is to go over to ACL's house and help spread mulch

I am 2/3rds of the way though 13 cu yds. Yes, doing it all by myself.
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