Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-07-2012, 07:33 PM
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Maybe not. A lot of guys trying to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt with what we've seen so far (Neg. Notepad). But when the actual TA comes out, it will be vetted here and on the DALPA Forum like never before. If the pay and scope sections are stinkers (i.e. don't make significant progress toward restoration of pay and reversal of outsourcing), that, along with what we've seen so far is going to raise a lot of eyebrows and may open enough eyes to see a different outcome from years past. Sure, there will always be the committed ALPA loyalist lemming types... but I think there are many of us (hopefully the majority) that look at it from a practical business standpoint. We know what we've put into this career... the sacrifices we and our families have made along the way. We know the very significant responsibility we have on a daily basis and we are painfully aware of the career risks (medical, etc.) to which we are always exposed. A 42% lower standard of living than what we had 10 years ago and a huge percentage of Delta passengers being flown by non-Delta pilots... well, I don't think that is something that many of us will accept anymore. (Some of us never accepted it.) It's time to put our collective feet down and make a stand.
05-07-2012, 07:41 PM
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Maybe not. A lot of guys trying to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt with what we've seen so far (Neg. Notepad). But when the actual TA comes out, it will be vetted here and on the DALPA Forum like never before. If the pay and scope sections are stinkers (i.e. don't make significant progress toward restoration of pay and reversal of outsourcing), that, along with what we've seen so far is going to raise a lot of eyebrows and may open enough eyes to see a different outcome from years past. Sure, there will always be the committed ALPA loyalist lemming types... but I think there are many of us (hopefully the majority) that look at it from a practical business standpoint. We know what we've put into this career... the sacrifices we and our families have made along the way. We know the very significant responsibility we have on a daily basis and we are painfully aware of the career risks (medical, etc.) to which we are always exposed. A 42% lower standard of living than what we had 10 years ago and a huge percentage of Delta passengers being flown by non-Delta pilots... well, I don't think that is something that many of us will accept anymore. (Some of us never accepted it.) It's time to put our collective feet down and make a stand.
05-07-2012, 07:42 PM
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Maybe not. A lot of guys trying to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt with what we've seen so far (Neg. Notepad). But when the actual TA comes out, it will be vetted here and on the DALPA Forum like never before. If the pay and scope sections are stinkers (i.e. don't make significant progress toward restoration of pay and reversal of outsourcing), that, along with what we've seen so far is going to raise a lot of eyebrows and may open enough eyes to see a different outcome from years past. Sure, there will always be the committed ALPA loyalist lemming types... but I think there are many of us (hopefully the majority) that look at it from a practical business standpoint. We know what we've put into this career... the sacrifices we and our families have made along the way. We know the very significant responsibility we have on a daily basis and we are painfully aware of the career risks (medical, etc.) to which we are always exposed. A 42% lower standard of living than what we had 10 years ago and a huge percentage of Delta passengers being flown by non-Delta pilots... well, I don't think that is something that many of us will accept anymore. (Some of us never accepted it.) It's time to put our collective feet down and make a stand.
Awesome drum solo! I mean great post, +1
05-07-2012, 08:04 PM
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I've actually flown with a few CAs with the same sense of detachment. It's alarming. Fortunately, only a few. The rest seem very engaged. Why wouldn't we have 100% of the guys focused on this right now? In fact, why wasn't there damn near 100% of the pilots responding to the survey?
05-07-2012, 08:13 PM
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Maybe not. A lot of guys trying to give ALPA the benefit of the doubt with what we've seen so far (Neg. Notepad). But when the actual TA comes out, it will be vetted here and on the DALPA Forum like never before. If the pay and scope sections are stinkers (i.e. don't make significant progress toward restoration of pay and reversal of outsourcing), that, along with what we've seen so far is going to raise a lot of eyebrows and may open enough eyes to see a different outcome from years past. Sure, there will always be the committed ALPA loyalist lemming types... but I think there are many of us (hopefully the majority) that look at it from a practical business standpoint. We know what we've put into this career... the sacrifices we and our families have made along the way. We know the very significant responsibility we have on a daily basis and we are painfully aware of the career risks (medical, etc.) to which we are always exposed. A 42% lower standard of living than what we had 10 years ago and a huge percentage of Delta passengers being flown by non-Delta pilots... well, I don't think that is something that many of us will accept anymore. (Some of us never accepted it.) It's time to put our collective feet down and make a stand.
BTW, it was a pleasure to be in your jumpseat to watch you grab that DC-9 by the throat and set her down in ATL.
A few things that some of you might not know about DAL 88 Driver:
He has inside jokes...with complete strangers
Mosquitos refuse to bite him...purely out of respect
The IRS puts a little extra in his refund checks...just to be sure
Carl
05-07-2012, 08:22 PM
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Why are things like short call even bring negotiated especially by giving them more? The new rest rules takes care of the 24 hr problem, and now we get RAW credit for them. Besides that there is nothing that has been negotiated that is better than what we have now or will be changed by the new rules.
05-07-2012, 08:51 PM
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A general poll type question: When you see a Master Warning light and "TAIL COMP TEMP HI" do you immediately picture a calmly completed QRH procedure, or do you picture the aft section of the aircraft melting away as if it was wax?
05-07-2012, 09:03 PM
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Johnny, I'll take door number 1 for $1000!
05-07-2012, 09:19 PM
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05-07-2012, 09:36 PM
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If the DALPA forum is any sign of what kind of level of discontent exists it would appear there's not much wrong in this NNP with that crowd. Biggest discussion over there is on the changes to sick pay.
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