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Old 05-05-2012, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop

From another post:
The current mainline fleet: 714.

RJ fleet: 603

RJ fleet by type:
CRJ-200: 324
CRJ-900: 101
CRJ-700: 82
E-175: 52
E-145: 24
E-170: 20

I am not even sure which ones are 50 seaters - I am pretty sure the 200's and the 145s - which total 348.

348/2 = 174 more large RJs at the stupendously ridiculous ratio of 2:1.



So the 50 seaters are dying a natural death and we are going to give up to 174 more large RJs to speed up the process????

We are making big $$$$. The company wants a quick deal. We are done with concessionary contracts.

This would be concessionary!!!

Can you say Hello DPA?

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Scoop,

Not to disagree with your point at all, but my guess is the number is about 100 new Large RJs based on RA comments that he wants to see the 50 RJ fleet reduced down to about 150 aircraft.

This is unacceptable anyway you look at it.

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Old 05-05-2012, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
TWA lawsuit update: ALPA's motion for Judgment Notwitstanding Of Verdict, motion to decertify the class, and motion for a new trial all DENIED today by the court.

All data for the decision on monetary damage due in August.

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It's amazing to me how little discussion this is provoking.

When is the last point at which we can separate ourselves without being on the hook for any type of assessment?
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
It's amazing to me how little discussion this is provoking.

When is the last point at which we can separate ourselves without being on the hook for any type of assessment?
It may be too late.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:14 AM
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I can't believe some of you guys are even considering the thought of allowing more 76 seaters. They are already parking the 50 seaters NOW. We do not have to give them squat and they will still park them. Look at Comair! Guys, do not fall for these traps. Management was already going to park them. Hold the freaking line! No more 76 seaters period or automatic NO vote from me.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by THEBRICK
No more 76 seaters. If I vote yes on this possible TA, not only would I be voting myself out of a job( being junior), but I also give the guys taking my job a raise with their shiney new 76 seater. I am pretty sure the ALPA contract survey didn't say the majority of DAL maineline pilots wanted more 76 seaters unless we can fly them. DPA seems to get this, why not ALPA?
*** are you talking about? DPA is not an entity that has any bearing on this negotiation currently. DPA may become a recognized entity in the future and I am sure will get some traction depending on the outcome of this ALPA contract currently being negotiated. But to even state or infer that DPA has a role, position or bargaining point is silly. DPA needs to get enough cards for 50% to send it up for a vote. That is the only thing DPA can do at the moment, until then anything being spawned from any entity other than DALPA is certainly hubris and reeks of the worst possible political mud slinging.

Before you say it, yes I signed my DPA card. At the moment they have no bearing on this negotiation only the next one if need be.

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have heard a different rumor. I will post it here as a rumor only. The company is not asking for more then 76 seats. What they want is more aircraft allowed above the 153 or 155 cap on large RJ's. They are willing to have fewer over all RJ's but more aircraft in the 70 to 76 seat range. This is not acceptable to me as I believe the E175 should be at the mainline. They will offer some type of block hour arrangement/ratio as a inducement to ratify.
This was being heavily implied at the PUB event I attended. It's an automatic no vote from me as well.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog
This was being heavily implied at the PUB event I attended. It's an automatic no vote from me as well.
Yep. If Section 1 is lacking, it's a "NO." I won't even bother to read the rest.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:38 AM
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Man it does my heart good to read these last 20 or so posts. Great stuff.

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Old 05-05-2012, 10:57 AM
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I can't help but chuckle at DPA trying to scare people with this TWA lawsuit. I hope people realize how far from over it is. We aren't going to be assessed. This will be dragged through the court system for MANY more years.

Everyone does realize that in order to be assessed, ALPA members in good standing have to APPROVE the assessment via vote? So they can't just TAKE $$$ from you. The assessment has to be put to vote.
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Old 05-05-2012, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DLpilot
I can't believe some of you guys are even considering the thought of allowing more 76 seaters. They are already parking the 50 seaters NOW. We do not have to give them squat and they will still park them. Look at Comair! Guys, do not fall for these traps. Management was already going to park them. Hold the freaking line! No more 76 seaters period or automatic NO vote from me.
Bring them on...!!! All of them. I will bid "A" on the first available bid. I know it will be cheaper for DAL to operate the 76 aircraft in-house, rather than outsource. I KNOW IT!

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