Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-01-2012, 07:49 PM
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05-01-2012, 08:00 PM
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And furthermore...
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
We may not like it, but the baton has been passed to us.
We need to speak for ALL airline pilots when we say NO! to more outsourcing.
As professional pilots, we are held to a higher standard of expectation and behavior than ANYONE in our nation.
We need to communicate that we are WORTH our pay, we DESERVE good health benefits and we DESERVE a retirement and we REQUIRE decent scheduling rules.
Seat numbers shouldn't be the measure of what a pilot is worth or deserves, and we will not trade away our principles for anything.
Opps, no cheerleading. Man Law
05-01-2012, 08:52 PM
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05-01-2012, 09:02 PM
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There has been a lot of talk about scope over the years. What we've seen in the past is that the company will take what we give away in scope and immediately run it right up to the limit, sometimes past it.
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
DL used to fly 50 seat RJ's on any and every city pair they could reach, just to prove a point and reduce mainline importance.
Today, DL is at the forefront of post de regulation restructuring and that puts us square in the sights of the next scope battle. Whatever outcome we achieve, or fail to achieve, will UNDOUBTEDLY set the benchmark for what the industry will eventually look like and WHO will do the actual flying in the U.S.A.
If we can hold the line on scope, then major airline pilots might just have a shot at a decent career in this country over the next few decades. If we give up our flying to the lowest bidder, and that's exactly who will do it, then we will not only further cheapen and erode the profession- but we will most assuredly see the same at our competitors throughout the industry.
The result will be a diminished career for all because we will no longer stand as one, but will be invited to poach our colleagues for a few dollars a month less.
Think of this as the first real opportunity to save our careers, and make sure it's not our last.
SCOPE
05-02-2012, 02:15 AM
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Yes they did. I posted the hot rumors at that time. Tried to get names and dates. The DCI sources did not provide substantiation.t
05-02-2012, 03:37 AM
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Sorry but this couldn't wait till Friday..
05-02-2012, 05:24 AM
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05-02-2012, 05:36 AM
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That looks real.
On another subject, what if Delta comes back with an offer to go to 930 mainline aircraft, with the quid pro quo that the limit on 70/76/90-seat aircraft increases proportinately from 255 to 420. Would that get voted in?
A week after the TA passes, Delta announces they are purchasing the Tranny 717s and putting in an offer to acquire Alaska... now you have your 930 mainline aircraft, and DCI puts in an order for almost 200 new EMB190s/900s/etc. "See you in ten years sucker"
I'm hoping this can't happen. ALPA attorneys would see that trick a mile away, right?
On another subject, what if Delta comes back with an offer to go to 930 mainline aircraft, with the quid pro quo that the limit on 70/76/90-seat aircraft increases proportinately from 255 to 420. Would that get voted in?
A week after the TA passes, Delta announces they are purchasing the Tranny 717s and putting in an offer to acquire Alaska... now you have your 930 mainline aircraft, and DCI puts in an order for almost 200 new EMB190s/900s/etc. "See you in ten years sucker"
I'm hoping this can't happen. ALPA attorneys would see that trick a mile away, right?
05-02-2012, 05:48 AM
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That looks real.
On another subject, what if Delta comes back with an offer to go to 930 mainline aircraft, with the quid pro quo that the limit on 70/76/90-seat aircraft increases proportinately from 255 to 420. Would that get voted in?
A week after the TA passes, Delta announces they are purchasing the Tranny 717s and putting in an offer to acquire Alaska... now you have your 930 mainline aircraft, and DCI puts in an order for almost 200 new EMB190s/900s/etc. "See you in ten years sucker"
I'm hoping this can't happen. ALPA attorneys would see that trick a mile away, right?
On another subject, what if Delta comes back with an offer to go to 930 mainline aircraft, with the quid pro quo that the limit on 70/76/90-seat aircraft increases proportinately from 255 to 420. Would that get voted in?
A week after the TA passes, Delta announces they are purchasing the Tranny 717s and putting in an offer to acquire Alaska... now you have your 930 mainline aircraft, and DCI puts in an order for almost 200 new EMB190s/900s/etc. "See you in ten years sucker"
I'm hoping this can't happen. ALPA attorneys would see that trick a mile away, right?
Just talked to my Reps and they are firm on not only holding the line on Scope but actually tightening it up. So from what I just heard first hand, is that something like you propose above would not pass the MEC.
Now is this a guarantee? No. I remember well the 70 seat "line in the sand." But at least it is an unequivocal no to relaxing Scope from the DALPA guys.
Time will tell - and it may be rather soon.
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05-02-2012, 05:53 AM
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Training Pay?
Hi guys, Going to IQ training next month and they no longer have ground school, so do we get paid for completing the systems CD via run time like CQ? If so, were can I find how much we are getting paid for this self taught ground school? Thanks.
This is my first IQ under this system.....
This is my first IQ under this system.....
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