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04-28-2012, 03:16 PM
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Do you think these same guys would agree to help subsidize FO pay to within 15% of CA pay...after all if we give up scope for a pay raise...most FOs here at DL will be FOs for their career as we continue to shrink and outsource jobs!
04-28-2012, 03:18 PM
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We gave them a huge loophole in that profit margin/GDP growth language and they took full advantage of it.
It sounds like we may be headed for another one of these block hour deals.
(I guess they're calling it "production balance" nowadays)
I hope the ALPA lawyers have improved their writing skills or we will end up with a bunch more outsourced jobs before we even know what hit us.
04-28-2012, 03:20 PM
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04-28-2012, 03:34 PM
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04-28-2012, 03:42 PM
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04-28-2012, 03:50 PM
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That's true. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "broke".
We gave them a huge loophole in that profit margin/GDP growth language and they took full advantage of it.
It sounds like we may be headed for another one of these block hour deals.
(I guess they're calling it "production balance" nowadays)
I hope the ALPA lawyers have improved their writing skills or we will end up with a bunch more outsourced jobs before we even know what hit us.
We gave them a huge loophole in that profit margin/GDP growth language and they took full advantage of it.
It sounds like we may be headed for another one of these block hour deals.
(I guess they're calling it "production balance" nowadays)
I hope the ALPA lawyers have improved their writing skills or we will end up with a bunch more outsourced jobs before we even know what hit us.
04-28-2012, 03:54 PM
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More specifically, if I see that sort of language, I will most likely run away.
04-28-2012, 04:14 PM
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I agree. If a TA comes out with any scope sale my applications will go out elsewhere. Ill be outta here.
And tsquare. I agree with your reply to my earlier post. Using any form of leverage to get rid of 50 seater's that are already on the way out is ridiculous. I hope our negotiating committee is not stupid enough to fall for that.
I honestly think all of these guys are running around with their hair on fire and for good cause. Our union, faced with decertification, still does not have the stones to say that scope in any form is not for sale. As mentioned earlier...it's the silence that is telling the story of what is going on.
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And tsquare. I agree with your reply to my earlier post. Using any form of leverage to get rid of 50 seater's that are already on the way out is ridiculous. I hope our negotiating committee is not stupid enough to fall for that.
I honestly think all of these guys are running around with their hair on fire and for good cause. Our union, faced with decertification, still does not have the stones to say that scope in any form is not for sale. As mentioned earlier...it's the silence that is telling the story of what is going on.
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04-28-2012, 04:18 PM
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FWIW, here's the input I sent my reps this afternoon:
Any agreement that results in even one additional RJ and does not begin to reverse the outsourcing of our jobs will be an automatic NO vote from me. Same goes for compensation. However the cake is baked, my W2 as an MD-88/90 Captain needs to be at least as much as an SWA Captain. That means a minimum of $234,000. These are my two hot button issues. And it's not one or the other. It must be both.
Any agreement that results in even one additional RJ and does not begin to reverse the outsourcing of our jobs will be an automatic NO vote from me. Same goes for compensation. However the cake is baked, my W2 as an MD-88/90 Captain needs to be at least as much as an SWA Captain. That means a minimum of $234,000. These are my two hot button issues. And it's not one or the other. It must be both.
04-28-2012, 04:19 PM
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LOL. "To the extent possible" is a classic.
Here's another ALPA lawyer beauty from C2K:
That one had some real teeth.
Here's another ALPA lawyer beauty from C2K:
The Company shall use its reasonable best efforts to take all actions necessary and appropriate to satisfy each of the foregoing conditions.
That one had some real teeth.
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