Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-27-2012, 01:31 PM
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Yeah we're chicken and egging this one a bit. My point is that getting the jets at mainline is great. That's the goal. But they were just given up, and for a reason. Simply keeping another pilot group in the MEC would have done nothing to change that, but even if it did and even if it resulted in a "staple" the company could still then go out and outsource 255 large RJ's, 153 of which are extra large RJ's. Ironically bringing the CPZ large RJ's to mainline could have ended up allowing even more large RJ's to be outsourced under the 3:1 check valve.
The problem/crime wasn't that CPZ pilots weren't put onto the mainline list but rather that the seat range that they fly off the list wasn't put on the list. In addition to that, operating them separately under a different contract as an outsourced airline really opened up DALPA/ALPA to a major DFR down the road. I'm all for bringing the flying back and putting it on our list. But we have to get the flying back first. Putting pilots on the list to do flying that's not covered in our scope does little and only inks the water even more than it already is.
The problem/crime wasn't that CPZ pilots weren't put onto the mainline list but rather that the seat range that they fly off the list wasn't put on the list. In addition to that, operating them separately under a different contract as an outsourced airline really opened up DALPA/ALPA to a major DFR down the road. I'm all for bringing the flying back and putting it on our list. But we have to get the flying back first. Putting pilots on the list to do flying that's not covered in our scope does little and only inks the water even more than it already is.
While I think I understand what you're saying, this is one of those sit and discuss things vs type back and forth. Because, I'm not sure what is your opinion vs fact and where those facts come from. For example, since it went pure party line vote, I'm always a little suspicious of what appears to be party line.
We do agree on the end goal and agree on what is bold above. Take care.
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04-27-2012, 01:31 PM
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Hey all, go read the newest Chairman's letter from Tim.
04-27-2012, 01:34 PM
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04-27-2012, 01:34 PM
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04-27-2012, 01:37 PM
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I have a buddy going through MD-88 training at the moment, and he's being told the 717 (MD-95) would be a separate category from the MD-88/90. Others heard the same?
04-27-2012, 01:37 PM
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04-27-2012, 01:46 PM
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To the MEC Negotiating Committee...
04-27-2012, 01:46 PM
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That does not mean we are donut supporters. We back ALPA 100% now and are trusting them to follow our collective wishes. Now before you and all the acolytes start harping on what is collective to this group, let me say this. I have not heard of one person, none, that would be ok with 11%.
I have not heard of one that is any favor of selling more scope.
I also have had no one say they are happy with our current duty period credit.
Finally, have not met anyone that is happy with our current DC % particularly when other recently BK'd airlines are pulling in close 20% DC on top of a 2.4% a/b fund.
Lastly, Doug Parker just did us another giant favor. We should pass the hat around and send him a nice gift. Maybe an all expenses trip to Colombia.
When he bid on us in BK, he effectively caused a revaluation of our claims at a much higher rate. He just also reset the bottom on the pay spectrum with his APA deal. No more company pointing to AMR and the LCC circus and demanding a comp to them.What does this all mean? DALPA better execute well here. If they do not, I am not sure that DPA will necessarily sweep right in. They could. But right behind them will be APA with a pitch with the full backing of CAPA, who now with the inevitable addition of LCC pilots, just became even more of a heavy weight on the Hill.
DALPA and ALPA are walking the tight rope right now. One error and it could be curtains. Whether it is a misreading of the pilot group prior to endorsing a substanderd TA, or a financially hobbling judgement in TWA v ALPA, ther is no room for a mistake.
04-27-2012, 02:00 PM
seeing the large hubs...
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Apparently it's like a MD11 cockpit on a DC9 body.
04-27-2012, 02:03 PM
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You are a funny man! Don't let your wife tell you differently.
RE: "Enter Content" post. Not sure what happened? Trying to jumpseat on United. (ONT - DEN) I place my iPhone in my pocket for a second to talk to the agent & come back to see a "pocket post" on APCF. How's that for embarrassing? She wasn't even that good looking!
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