Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-27-2012, 04:15 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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Guys, quick question about IOE causing trip conflict/drop.
I had a trip on my sked per PBS prior to the end of training. IOE was placed on my sked which conflicted and dropped my original trip. Should I be credited the dropped trip, or is an IOE trip conflict a different animal?
Thanks!
I had a trip on my sked per PBS prior to the end of training. IOE was placed on my sked which conflicted and dropped my original trip. Should I be credited the dropped trip, or is an IOE trip conflict a different animal?
Thanks!
If I am following what you are asking, you bid a scedule but you were not qualified to fly it. This determines you pay hours for the month. That is all it does.
04-27-2012, 04:18 AM
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04-27-2012, 04:18 AM
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Are Carl and 88 in the methadone clinic? Carl hasn't even commented on some of the excellent photos posted.
04-27-2012, 04:21 AM
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04-27-2012, 04:39 AM
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Lets hope the contract negotiations continue to go well. The company is giving up considerable leverage on this issue. "Dalpa, Your contract proposal is terrible and we are done talking and request mediation. Company, No problem we will see you in mediation however we should mention we are picking up some 717's as a bridge aircraft. We are only going to operate them for 3 or 4 years but will also bring a 1000 more pilots to Delta so we don't have to do any training. Get your arbitration lawyers back on retainer! Let us know when the SLI list is done."
04-27-2012, 04:47 AM
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If you get a MD on an AE I know you have to rebid your vacation in your new position. Is there an option to carry the vacation over to the following year as opposed to rebidding it?
04-27-2012, 04:52 AM
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04-27-2012, 05:09 AM
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I post it because many on here seem to have a limited understanding of contract negotiations and how they progress under the NMB and RLA.
The first rule of negotiations that everyone needs to understand is that its all about leverage. Who has it and who does not. The 1113 process is the apex of leverage for management. A NMB release is the peak of leverage for labor. After that there are many levels and ways to gain leverage or lose it.
Contract negotiations can very quickly go south and turn from a cooperative venture to all out war. There have been many posts on here and the DALPA forum that suggest that as a union we should be in all out war with the company at all times. I simply don't think that is a smart strategy. At the moment we enjoy a pretty good working relationship with the company. That has allowed many things to be accomplished. In fact the mid contract changes and additional source of money to pilots have been almost unheard of in the airline industry. It also assures that we don't have to worry about 1000 airtran pilots showing up next week.
I am cautiously hopeful at this point because the company has not chosen to use or attempt to use some very obvious tools for leverage they have had at their disposal. Lets hope it stays that way.
04-27-2012, 05:31 AM
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If you bought airplanes from an airline, it depends on how the deal is structured and if the loss would cause furloughs. Again, it is does not trigger fragmentation language, employees do not necessarily need to come with. Airplanes can also be returned to the leasing company and then washed though there.
The only scenario where you would definitely see employees is if DAL chose to take part of say AMR that equated to more than their fragmentation language, or you bought someone like ALK, HAA or B6 in whole. I do not see the latter coming before the fate of AMR is known, not just assumed.
As for a my statement about culture, the melding of cultures costs money, and time. It also causes delays in getting to the efficiencies that brought about the transaction. I am sure at some point we will take employees, but I doubt it is DAL's first choice.
04-27-2012, 05:39 AM
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Lets hope the contract negotiations continue to go well. The company is giving up considerable leverage on this issue. "Dalpa, Your contract proposal is terrible and we are done talking and request mediation. Company, No problem we will see you in mediation however we should mention we are picking up some 717's as a bridge aircraft. We are only going to operate them for 3 or 4 years but will also bring a 1000 more pilots to Delta so we don't have to do any training. Get your arbitration lawyers back on retainer! Let us know when the SLI list is done."
I post it because many on here seem to have a limited understanding of contract negotiations and how they progress under the NMB and RLA.
The first rule of negotiations that everyone needs to understand is that its all about leverage. Who has it and who does not. The 1113 process is the apex of leverage for management. A NMB release is the peak of leverage for labor. After that there are many levels and ways to gain leverage or lose it.
Contract negotiations can very quickly go south and turn from a cooperative venture to all out war. There have been many posts on here and the DALPA forum that suggest that as a union we should be in all out war with the company at all times. I simply don't think that is a smart strategy. At the moment we enjoy a pretty good working relationship with the company. That has allowed many things to be accomplished. In fact the mid contract changes and additional source of money to pilots have been almost unheard of in the airline industry. It also assures that we don't have to worry about 1000 airtran pilots showing up next week.
I am cautiously hopeful at this point because the company has not chosen to use or attempt to use some very obvious tools for leverage they have had at their disposal. Lets hope it stays that way.
The first rule of negotiations that everyone needs to understand is that its all about leverage. Who has it and who does not. The 1113 process is the apex of leverage for management. A NMB release is the peak of leverage for labor. After that there are many levels and ways to gain leverage or lose it.
Contract negotiations can very quickly go south and turn from a cooperative venture to all out war. There have been many posts on here and the DALPA forum that suggest that as a union we should be in all out war with the company at all times. I simply don't think that is a smart strategy. At the moment we enjoy a pretty good working relationship with the company. That has allowed many things to be accomplished. In fact the mid contract changes and additional source of money to pilots have been almost unheard of in the airline industry. It also assures that we don't have to worry about 1000 airtran pilots showing up next week.
I am cautiously hopeful at this point because the company has not chosen to use or attempt to use some very obvious tools for leverage they have had at their disposal. Lets hope it stays that way.
I would say that spending a few hundred more a year on our contract is by far cheaper that losing the constructive relationship we both enjoy.
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