Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-25-2012, 04:20 PM
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04-25-2012, 04:29 PM
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Inevitably the answer is still a positive...."I always work hard..I'm competitive" or something to that effect.
04-25-2012, 04:36 PM
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I hate to be a Debbie Downer on this topic, but this will absolutely not happen. When we finally do get a TA, the NC will have spent months, countless hours and much blood, sweat and tears producing a contract acceptable to the company and worthy of presentation to the pilots. The last thing they will do is tell you what's wrong with it.
We went through the same demands at NWA in '98. The TA roadshows then were about selling the TA. The "negative" comments amounted to something like "Well, we would've liked a bigger payraise, but we could'nt get it."
Any negatives regarding the TA will only come from people other than ALPA. Hopefully they, and any explanations from ALPA, will wind up on this forum.
We went through the same demands at NWA in '98. The TA roadshows then were about selling the TA. The "negative" comments amounted to something like "Well, we would've liked a bigger payraise, but we could'nt get it."
Any negatives regarding the TA will only come from people other than ALPA. Hopefully they, and any explanations from ALPA, will wind up on this forum.
That's what I said earlier about the sell job. I think they're too invested in it. It's like asking a proud father that just cut the cord to give an opposite viepoint, and tell them the kid's ugly. I understand the logic in wanting data in your own due diligence, but it would be some sort of shyzo leap for them to do one thing (produce an agreement they think is fair), and the opposite of that thing (argue it isn't fair). They'll do something like capncrunch suggested, instead.
I think the best we can acheive is to at least get them to leave us alone, as we make our own, private deliberations. As I said earlier, it comes to down to not losing track of your own criteria, your own benchmark, and judging the product.
In theory, it would be nice to have neutrals write credible point/counterpoints. In reality... if you're starved for debate at that point, there's always APC.
04-25-2012, 04:40 PM
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Google the WSJ headline -> read for free
or have your buddies do the work:
WSJ via Google: Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth
Cheers
George
or have your buddies do the work:
WSJ via Google: Delta Shows Strong Revenue Growth
Cheers
George
04-25-2012, 04:44 PM
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That's what I said earlier about the sell job. I think they're too invested in it. It's like asking a proud father that just cut the cord to give an opposite viepoint, and tell them the kid's ugly. I understand the logic in wanting data in your own due diligence, but it would be some sort of shyzo leap for them to do one thing (produce an agreement they think is fair), and the opposite of that thing (argue it isn't fair). They'll do something like capncrunch suggested, instead.
I think the best we can acheive is to at least get them to leave us alone, as we make our own, private deliberations. As I said earlier, it comes to down to not losing track of your own criteria, your own benchmark, and judging the product.
In theory, it would be nice to have neutrals write credible point/counterpoints. In reality... if you're starved for debate at that point, there's always APC.
I think the best we can acheive is to at least get them to leave us alone, as we make our own, private deliberations. As I said earlier, it comes to down to not losing track of your own criteria, your own benchmark, and judging the product.
In theory, it would be nice to have neutrals write credible point/counterpoints. In reality... if you're starved for debate at that point, there's always APC.
But then you are still left with topics like in our section 1 vs RAH. If you read the language, it surely sounds like we are protected...but...
04-25-2012, 04:48 PM
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Looks like she is looking for something...
04-25-2012, 04:51 PM
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04-25-2012, 05:04 PM
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Since we are talking rumors. The one I heard today was that the 717 deal was sealed today and the pilots are going with the planes.
04-25-2012, 05:05 PM
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Need help. I can't delete a buddy pass authorization.
They checked in at the airport, never were able to get on a flight and went home. So we refunded the ticket but I am stuck with all 3 of them on my buddy pass authorizations. It will not let me delete them, just activate them.
Before I call someone, and trying to figure out who, I should be able to delete them right?
They checked in at the airport, never were able to get on a flight and went home. So we refunded the ticket but I am stuck with all 3 of them on my buddy pass authorizations. It will not let me delete them, just activate them.
Before I call someone, and trying to figure out who, I should be able to delete them right?
If you authorized the passes, never used them, and then refunded them, they are gone.
You can't "delete" the authorization and use the same pass over again with a different "buddy".
If that's what you are trying to do.
04-25-2012, 05:08 PM
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