Based on the new short call bucket system I have a question. What bucket system takes priority, RAW or short call bucket? Here's the scenario:

Everyone on call is in bucket 1 based on RAW and bucket 2 based on Short Call. You are in bucket 2 based on RAW but bucket 1 based on Short Call. So is it likely you will get short call even though you are in bucket 2 based on RAW?

Thanks.

RAW value has no bearing when assigning SC. SC buckets and RAW buckets are entirely separate.

From Scheduling Alert 12-06

Please note that RAW value grouping and short call group are not the same. RAW value is not considered when assigning short call periods. Within each short call group, pilots who have submitted a yellow slip to be first in sequence for short call will be considered first, in seniority order, followed by pilots who have not submitted a yellow slip to be first in sequence for short call, in inverse seniority order. A pilot will only be considered first in sequence for the short call period(s) that match the stipulations of his yellow slip. He will be considered in inverse seniority order for all other short call periods. A pilot with six or more short call credits will be considered for conversion to additional short call periods if he has submitted a yellow slip to be first in sequence for short call and indicated a desire for more than six short calls on his yellow slip request.

04-22-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jabwmu

I read it that they are different buckets. RAW has its own bucket and SC has its own. So if you are in bucket 2 on RAW and in bucket 1 on SC, then yes you will get some SC your way.

04-22-2012, 03:16 PM

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I guess the APA/USAPA deal isn't really linked to what we negotiate:

US Airways Walks Tightrope in American Airlines Merger Plan - WSJ.com

"...US Airways' offer would provide pilots an immediate 5.5% raise and 3% increases a year for five years, according to American's Allied Pilots Association union. After that, the contract could be reset to an average of the compensation at rivals United Continental Holdings Inc. and Delta Air Lines Inc. Meanwhile, no American pilots would be furloughed..."

Seems like a fairly cheap price to deliver the keys to the kingdom to Parker. To Doug Parker.

04-22-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

Compared to a 20% paycut in BK? I think that is a pretty good deal, with a 7 year fence. And, we don't know if that WSJ article is completely accurate. The APA notes probably were fairly close. It did say 5.5% the first year, but then DL equal within 2 years, and then the average UA/DL within 5. It would be a huge gain for the USAir pilots, though. Anything that raises the bar for our closest competitors is good for us. We supposedly are doing a lot better than they are, right? We have more promise, right? That's what they say.... until Dalpa gets involved and again tries to manage expectations, because it is easier for them to do that then actually negotiate..... NO EXCUSES BOYS.

04-22-2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbusdriver

The contract says "A reserve pilot will not be: assigned a rotation that: will cause his credit to exceed the ALV." No where does it say scheduling can try and trick me into taking it and that I have to know there's a secret part of the contract that I have to know verbatim so that I can refuse it. It says they can not assign it to me period. End of story. If that's going on, I'd have those pilots call ALPA and get assignment pay on top of the rotation pay. 48 hours of pay for a 24 hour rotation should fix that fishing trip.

Post of the week.

04-22-2012, 05:41 PM

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so if we do a contract comparison and assuming this aa/the U thing goes through, we're now comparing ourselves to just the Doug AA and UCAL, right?

then frankly, this is all good news.

04-22-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

so if we do a contract comparison and assuming this aa/the U thing goes through, we're now comparing ourselves to just the Doug AA and UCAL, right?

then frankly, this is all good news.

Until you realize it is being published by ALPA national.