Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-20-2012, 12:04 PM
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My guessing is that US would have to give up less now than they would've had to pre-slot swap. RA wasn't a "pure genius"... it was a good move for both parties involved.
The DOT, on the otherhand, will just screw the airlines merging. Doesn't matter who the involved parties are.
The DOT, on the otherhand, will just screw the airlines merging. Doesn't matter who the involved parties are.
I see what you're getting at now after I re-read it. LGA will be a non player. But I'm still thinking carnage at DCA. SWA is probably excited!
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04-20-2012, 12:10 PM
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04-20-2012, 12:13 PM
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04-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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What's next for DAL? AL, HI, or JB (to compete with the new east coast #1)
04-20-2012, 12:29 PM
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We are at the point where there shouldn't even be any talk of concessions of any kind. (Scope, pay, work rules, retirement, etc.) The possibility of US Airways and American making more than us after doing nothing that even approaches what the employees / pilots of DAL did to make our merger work should squash all talk of losing ground anywhere.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already.
If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already.
If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain.
It's sad to think that this is what it could take for some to realize their own value.
04-20-2012, 12:31 PM
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SWA/AirTran and JetBlue will gain the most from DCA and LGA slots that will potentially be shed in order to allow the AA/US deal to pass anti-trust concerns.
04-20-2012, 12:42 PM
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If there was a lot of overlap of routes between AA/US out of LGA/DCA, I would say yes. I don't think there is. Maybe a few slots, but not a bunch probably.
04-20-2012, 12:43 PM
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04-20-2012, 12:58 PM
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I don't think it's overlap, I think t's the percentage of departures that they will be concerned about. At least it was for the slot swap.
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From another web board
Subject: Notes from APA Meeting
Name stays AA
HQ in DFW
US comes to Oneworld (hurts UAL)
Pay banding
Starting point is current green book.
5.5% raise on date of signing
3% / yrs 2-6, then avg of UAL/DAL
A319 no longer a sep payband
Vac goes to 3+40/day. Better accrual
Hard freeze & 14% DC Plan
PBS. US West pilots love it. Well managed. Lines 83. P/u to 90. Keep current rigs.
Scope committee is "giddy" with what is offered. Parker doesn't understand code share. He wants the revenue. Max Dom code share = 4% of total asm's.
Keeping AA's Boeing/Bus order. Very excited to get 787.
Unsure about AE. Parker wants to see books then decide. Hates 50 seaters. Prob convert most 319 orders to 320/321's.
Med costs will go from 14% to 17% (I think 1113 had it going to 26%.
Not a sure thing, but APA seems quite confident. No timeline given, more than 2 mos, possibly by end of summer. Horton is said to be steaming mad.
Seniority may go to expedited arbitration. Expect percentile in type over any DOH (aka DAL/NWA)
US East guys will get about 25-30% raise out of this.
Name stays AA
HQ in DFW
US comes to Oneworld (hurts UAL)
Pay banding
Starting point is current green book.
5.5% raise on date of signing
3% / yrs 2-6, then avg of UAL/DAL
A319 no longer a sep payband
Vac goes to 3+40/day. Better accrual
Hard freeze & 14% DC Plan
PBS. US West pilots love it. Well managed. Lines 83. P/u to 90. Keep current rigs.
Scope committee is "giddy" with what is offered. Parker doesn't understand code share. He wants the revenue. Max Dom code share = 4% of total asm's.
Keeping AA's Boeing/Bus order. Very excited to get 787.
Unsure about AE. Parker wants to see books then decide. Hates 50 seaters. Prob convert most 319 orders to 320/321's.
Med costs will go from 14% to 17% (I think 1113 had it going to 26%.
Not a sure thing, but APA seems quite confident. No timeline given, more than 2 mos, possibly by end of summer. Horton is said to be steaming mad.
Seniority may go to expedited arbitration. Expect percentile in type over any DOH (aka DAL/NWA)
US East guys will get about 25-30% raise out of this.
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