Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-20-2012, 10:18 AM
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The reality is Parker just opened himself up to asinine costs. RA could literally jack our rates so high that they fail on those costs alone. Dumb move for parker given where DAL is heading and our ability to actually pay and afford that level of raise.
The fact remains that even as a combined carrier, there is a ton of rationalization that needs to occur to make them a successful airline.
I often wonder if this is just APA's version of Texas Holdem with Horton. APA now has an out, even though it will be an ugly process.
The fact remains that even as a combined carrier, there is a ton of rationalization that needs to occur to make them a successful airline.
I often wonder if this is just APA's version of Texas Holdem with Horton. APA now has an out, even though it will be an ugly process.
Also if the term sheet does get out and the details are released, expect the company to want to focus any and all improvements on the "me too" sections of the AMR deal, so that it will put on the greatest amount of burden possible.
So we might see a push for direct increase of rates to offset the miserable "training pay" that we get now instead of upping the CD rom pay credit. little/no increase to daily pay, vacation pay staying at 3:00/day(increasing vaca pay by 1:00/day is worth around 0.7% of a yearly rate raise PER WEEK of accured vacation), etc.
Just watch for things like that....
Would the AMR deal put a FULL VOTING pilot union member on the new AMR?
Would they get 5% equity stake in the new company?
Scope proposal could be atrocious....
I think DAL will hold off on a "final offer" until they know the result of Parker's attempt.
What a crazy turn of events...
04-20-2012, 10:38 AM
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I wonder how many DCA and LGA slots the new AMR would have to give up b/c of anti-trust concerns.....
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
04-20-2012, 11:02 AM
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We are at the point where there shouldn't even be any talk of concessions of any kind. (Scope, pay, work rules, retirement, etc.) The possibility of US Airways and American making more than us after doing nothing that even approaches what the employees / pilots of DAL did to make our merger work should squash all talk of losing ground anywhere.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already.
If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain.
That should be our mindset from here on out, if it wasn't already.
If their DAL pay tie in rumor is true, it should be a signal to all Delta pilots to stop underestimating not only what we are worth, but also stop underestimating what we can attain.
04-20-2012, 11:05 AM
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I wonder how many DCA and LGA slots the new AMR would have to give up b/c of anti-trust concerns.....
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
The DOT, on the otherhand, will just screw the airlines merging. Doesn't matter who the involved parties are.
04-20-2012, 11:18 AM
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I wonder how many DCA and LGA slots the new AMR would have to give up b/c of anti-trust concerns.....
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
That would make RA's push for LGA swap pure genius.. I would not want to play poker or chess against RA.
Additionally, Star Alliance would suffer a US domestic hit if the "new AMR" stayed in Oneworld.
04-20-2012, 11:21 AM
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Was there something in their term sheet about 2 88 seat jets for every new mainline jet? Who would fly the 88 seaters?
04-20-2012, 11:24 AM
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WRT DL pilots, yes. What I was getting at was what if the APA caves and allows 88 seat C Series (with a nice sized first class thats about what the small one would seat) DL management will squeal like Ned Beatty that we have to allow that too. Outsourcing is, literally, a religion to them.
If they get the same pay (plus 3% even), for doing nothing, we have to have better scope, retirement, vacation, insurance, etc.
04-20-2012, 11:24 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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A regional - not only Eagle, I think part of the deal over at AA/Eagle is to allow other carriers (Pinnacle, Skywest, etc) to bid on AA regional flying.
04-20-2012, 11:41 AM
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True on the LGA end, but what about DCA slots that they just recently acquired.... AA and US already have too many slots between them at Reagan...
04-20-2012, 11:47 AM
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When the combined American/US Air becomes the dominant/#1 East Coast airline, how long until Delta goes after JetBlue...just sayin??
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