Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-20-2012, 06:34 AM
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Sailing/Scambo
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!" Thank you sir, may I have another?
04-20-2012, 06:38 AM
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Position: LAX ERA
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They can't do back to back 24 hour short calls, but they are very good at spacing out Short Calls just close enough to prevent you from going home. Get comfy in your hotel room.
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!"
Here's another gem you'll love. 12 hours into my 24 hour short call I get a call that says, "Hey, lucky camper, we are releasing you from your next 12 hours of short call, so we can put you on 24 hour short call again starting 12 hours from now. Congratulations!"
Thanks, I was afraid I was looking at this. Most guys by this time of the month have 2 or 3 SC, so I'm sure they will even it out. That last email from the union (even though it starts next month) said my raw of 82 and being in the 2nd bucket doesn't effect SC.
Well, off to the showers and to the airport.......
Ferd
04-20-2012, 06:52 AM
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
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Posts: 7,775
Sailing/Scambo
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
My experience only:
They can put you on back to back shortcalls. For int'l, due to the 24 hr s/c they wil usually give you rest and restart your s/c at the same time as the previous day. If your category flies domestic, the 1st 12 hrs you are legal for domestic and int'l, the second 12 you are legal for int'l only. Between s/c they have to give you (I think) 9 hrs rest. So it can be 24 on 9 off 24 on. As a commuter you are skrewwed. Or it can be 15 on 9 off 24 on. It really is any permutation of the above.
There is a time in the morning when they are assigning s/c like around 8 or 9 am, for the next days coverage. Often they wont post it until later.
If you want to know definitively whether or not you are safe to commute home, call scheduling. Typically they dont use line of sight scheduling and will tell you you dont have s/c tomorrow.
There are a couple schedulers who IMO seem meaner than the others. They really enjoy messing with your life.
However, most are very accomodating. My recomendation would be to find out the names of some of the accomodating ones and ask for them by name when you want to work something out. If they can, they usually do accomodate you. Remember, they do have a schedule to staff...sometimes the answer is no.
The only strategy I have found on reserve that gives a commuter some semblance of a life is to bid 4 on 3 off. This normally results in s/c on the 1st available day and L/C for the others. You are non-available for the long trips and you end up commuting 4 or 5 times a month.
04-20-2012, 07:19 AM
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I heard this from the cousin of a friend whose brother Roscoe went to prison with!
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....
Let's just say THE 10 y/o son wanted to learn how to use the weed eater. All safety was demonstrated and splained. THE mom was not too keen, I mean really what could happen if everything and everyone was briefed properly?
Under the watchful eye of the DAD standing close, the SON was masterfully handling the machine in perfect efficient sweeps as he moved closer to the back porch where MOM was standing with a worrisome glare.The DAD could make out the words she was mouthing over the noise and it was something to the effect of "You Son of a B I told you this is not a good idea he is too young" but the DAD failed to see the issue! The DAD's eyes were averted for a mere fraction of a second to offer the wife a thumbs up and big smile. It was at that moment the DAD realized he failed to inform or warn the son of the dangers of not cleaning up after the dog before one begins to attack with the weed eater!
Too late. By the time the DAD looked back to the porch, the Mom was covered in fecal nastiness and clearly mouthing words that I am sure violate the TOS of this forum....
Oh that's just awesome. I am falling out of my chair.
See at my house, my wife would not even be outside while I was cutting the grass.
04-20-2012, 07:23 AM
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Position: A-320A
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Sailing/Scambo
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
Thanks, I've just printed this out and stuck it in my bag. With all the stuff I've been reading so I don't screw this up.....this is the best.
One other question. I've got 10 days total availability and since they have SC me over a weekend, can they:
- Put two days SC back to back (wouldn't think so)
- Give me a day off (Sat afternoon/Sun morning) and back on SC
Or will one be enough in my scenario. Thanks, just trying to figure out how many days I'll be in the hotel reading APC.........vs in my study reading APC
Ferd
What they will do is wait to assign you SE, since now that you are not on X days, you only need ten hrs notice prior to the start of a SC. Yes, even for International. They will call you and reduce your first SC by a few hrs to start a new 24 hrs SC period, or they will start a new SC period 10 hrs after you ended your last one.
They can literally keep you on the hook for quite some time. Some of that changes in May, but watch your sked, and do not get caught out of position.
I have seen them do this more in the commuter bases of LAX and NYC. I have not watched SEA 330 reserve too closely.
04-20-2012, 07:44 AM
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I was flying helicopters into Afghanistan on the C-5 into a base where my wife was deployed working at the hospital. It wasn't home but we did get to check that box that not too many people can check off.
04-20-2012, 07:46 AM
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BTW when you surf this site while in Prague you get some crazy Czech ads
04-20-2012, 07:48 AM
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04-20-2012, 07:49 AM
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04-20-2012, 07:52 AM
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Ferd;
My experience only:
They can put you on back to back shortcalls. For int'l, due to the 24 hr s/c they wil usually give you rest and restart your s/c at the same time as the previous day. If your category flies domestic, the 1st 12 hrs you are legal for domestic and int'l, the second 12 you are legal for int'l only. Between s/c they have to give you (I think) 9 hrs rest. So it can be 24 on 9 off 24 on. As a commuter you are skrewwed. Or it can be 15 on 9 off 24 on. It really is any permutation of the above.
There is a time in the morning when they are assigning s/c like around 8 or 9 am, for the next days coverage. Often they wont post it until later.
If you want to know definitively whether or not you are safe to commute home, call scheduling. Typically they dont use line of sight scheduling and will tell you you dont have s/c tomorrow.
There are a couple schedulers who IMO seem meaner than the others. They really enjoy messing with your life.
However, most are very accomodating. My recomendation would be to find out the names of some of the accomodating ones and ask for them by name when you want to work something out. If they can, they usually do accomodate you. Remember, they do have a schedule to staff...sometimes the answer is no.
The only strategy I have found on reserve that gives a commuter some semblance of a life is to bid 4 on 3 off. This normally results in s/c on the 1st available day and L/C for the others. You are non-available for the long trips and you end up commuting 4 or 5 times a month.
My experience only:
They can put you on back to back shortcalls. For int'l, due to the 24 hr s/c they wil usually give you rest and restart your s/c at the same time as the previous day. If your category flies domestic, the 1st 12 hrs you are legal for domestic and int'l, the second 12 you are legal for int'l only. Between s/c they have to give you (I think) 9 hrs rest. So it can be 24 on 9 off 24 on. As a commuter you are skrewwed. Or it can be 15 on 9 off 24 on. It really is any permutation of the above.
There is a time in the morning when they are assigning s/c like around 8 or 9 am, for the next days coverage. Often they wont post it until later.
If you want to know definitively whether or not you are safe to commute home, call scheduling. Typically they dont use line of sight scheduling and will tell you you dont have s/c tomorrow.
There are a couple schedulers who IMO seem meaner than the others. They really enjoy messing with your life.
However, most are very accomodating. My recomendation would be to find out the names of some of the accomodating ones and ask for them by name when you want to work something out. If they can, they usually do accomodate you. Remember, they do have a schedule to staff...sometimes the answer is no.
The only strategy I have found on reserve that gives a commuter some semblance of a life is to bid 4 on 3 off. This normally results in s/c on the 1st available day and L/C for the others. You are non-available for the long trips and you end up commuting 4 or 5 times a month.
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