Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-17-2012, 08:07 PM
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Does not seem like they (management) talked to their Alaska counterparts.
Second hand info direct from an Alaska crew: When they leave Maui or Lihue with a full load of people and bags in the 900, they will often stop in Kona or HNL to pick up the gas they need to get over to the ocean.
They can't get off the rwys there with both load and gas. Particularly more prevalent in the summer with lighter winds.
They also said hand flying it is like walking while carrying a long heavy lumber board. First the nose dips and slowly it stops and begins to correct. Then it the tail drops and the nose rises, you correct, repeat.
They also said the vspeeds are blazing fast compared to the 7 and 8.
To bad Boeing got rid of all the jigs and tooling for the 757. That with todays engines and composite tech would be ideal,
Second hand info direct from an Alaska crew: When they leave Maui or Lihue with a full load of people and bags in the 900, they will often stop in Kona or HNL to pick up the gas they need to get over to the ocean.
They can't get off the rwys there with both load and gas. Particularly more prevalent in the summer with lighter winds.
They also said hand flying it is like walking while carrying a long heavy lumber board. First the nose dips and slowly it stops and begins to correct. Then it the tail drops and the nose rises, you correct, repeat.
They also said the vspeeds are blazing fast compared to the 7 and 8.
To bad Boeing got rid of all the jigs and tooling for the 757. That with todays engines and composite tech would be ideal,
I don't think AK flies any 737-900s to Hawaii, only 737-800s. Maybe the 737-900ER is better.
04-17-2012, 08:15 PM
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I was surprised to read that walk arounds etc is even an issue...
At SLC, in my experience, it's 50% on the walk arounds--I've been briefed by virtually every Capt that the guy not flying does the walk arounds. I've flow with 1 single guy, ever, who didn't do the walk arounds on the FO legs.
I usually get them on any leg there's time, ie not a 20 min turn due to late. I will concur however, that the SLC Capts are a touchdown across the board. And I'd say that most all of them have offered to buy a beer for me. Anyways, just another data point of opinion, great Capts in SLC, always enjoy the trip.
At SLC, in my experience, it's 50% on the walk arounds--I've been briefed by virtually every Capt that the guy not flying does the walk arounds. I've flow with 1 single guy, ever, who didn't do the walk arounds on the FO legs.
I usually get them on any leg there's time, ie not a 20 min turn due to late. I will concur however, that the SLC Capts are a touchdown across the board. And I'd say that most all of them have offered to buy a beer for me. Anyways, just another data point of opinion, great Capts in SLC, always enjoy the trip.
04-17-2012, 08:34 PM
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I guess I'll jump in the fray... I've been ATL based all but 2 months at Delta. The 737 fleet seemed to have the highest number of CAs that did walkarounds, but there were many on the 767 fleet that did as well. I'm flying with more fNW guys now, and they seem less apt to do them. No biggie... I walk on board expecting to do one and it's a nice break if I get to not go outside every once in a while.
90+% of the guys buy at least the first round of the beer, and sometimes more. Again, I always expect to end up paying and it's a great treat when I get by with a bit less than my fair share of the tab.
As far as the super duper short call, I've had times where I'm the one waiting for the other guy to show up, and I've definitely been the last guy down the jetbridge a number of times. Every time that I've been the one waiting for the CA, I've gotten everything done. Every time I've been the one showing up late, I've walked on to a plane with everything done... except once. That happened to be the same guy that said the snow would just blow off the wings. I guess I need to nominate him on the toolbag thread.
Anyhoo. We've overall got a very classy group, and it's sure nice not being at the regionals where you were pleasantly surprised that you didn't end up flying with someone who just didn't give a crap, was too dumb to know what giving a crap was, or was smart but lacking in common sense on what to get wrapped around the axle about.
90+% of the guys buy at least the first round of the beer, and sometimes more. Again, I always expect to end up paying and it's a great treat when I get by with a bit less than my fair share of the tab.
As far as the super duper short call, I've had times where I'm the one waiting for the other guy to show up, and I've definitely been the last guy down the jetbridge a number of times. Every time that I've been the one waiting for the CA, I've gotten everything done. Every time I've been the one showing up late, I've walked on to a plane with everything done... except once. That happened to be the same guy that said the snow would just blow off the wings. I guess I need to nominate him on the toolbag thread.
Anyhoo. We've overall got a very classy group, and it's sure nice not being at the regionals where you were pleasantly surprised that you didn't end up flying with someone who just didn't give a crap, was too dumb to know what giving a crap was, or was smart but lacking in common sense on what to get wrapped around the axle about.
04-17-2012, 08:34 PM
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The concessions were built into that order. They seat the same as a 757 but pay less.
On a related note RA stated at the CA meeting that 717's are to expensive for now and Delta is looking at A319's. They are plentiful and cheap. Decision should be made by the end of the second quarter.
On a related note RA stated at the CA meeting that 717's are to expensive for now and Delta is looking at A319's. They are plentiful and cheap. Decision should be made by the end of the second quarter.
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04-17-2012, 08:38 PM
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04-17-2012, 08:41 PM
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04-17-2012, 08:43 PM
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04-17-2012, 08:49 PM
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Not my take, he's very bullish on Delta and the future and proud of his company. However!!!!! He constantly makes reference to AA/APA negotiations and says if they would have agreed to 4%/year when they started negotiations they would have already had 30%. There was also a lot of other info put out I am loathe to put on a public forum.
04-17-2012, 08:56 PM
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I guess I'll jump in the fray... I've been ATL based all but 2 months at Delta. The 737 fleet seemed to have the highest number of CAs that did walkarounds, but there were many on the 767 fleet that did as well. I'm flying with more fNW guys now, and they seem less apt to do them. No biggie... I walk on board expecting to do one and it's a nice break if I get to not go outside every once in a while.
At Northwest, the captain would:
1.) Get the paperwork at the gate. Work on it, hi-lite it, cut it, staple it, fill out the flight attendant briefing form, and leave the release with the agent.
2.) Brief the flight attendants.
3.) Check the logbooks (both of them)
4.) Then do the entire interior pre-flight.
5.) Fill out logbook post flight.
The FO would:
1.) Check logbooks (both)
2.) Fill out the ACARS initial page.
3.) Get the ATIS
4.) Get the clearance
4.) Do the walk-around.
Now, as I understand it, there is very little that is set in the way to do things. Just get the airplane from point A to point B, safely and legally.
Like you seem to be doing 80, I think everyone, from every seat, should use CRM and work things out. It shouldn't be that hard. No judgements.
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04-17-2012, 09:24 PM
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