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Old 04-17-2012, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
Can I tell my stories of F/Os who show up 20 minutes prior to push on leg #1, and the first words out of their mouth are "did you do the walk around?", or perhaps those who miss a crossing restriction and then blame the "piece of ___ airplane", --which again is the airplane's fault.
It's the MD88, right?

I love that trick where there is a crossing restriction with a slow down. The jet does a VNAV DES until it figures out, "whoa we're too fast" then pitches for a 4,000 FPM climb instead of levelling off.

Once people figure out it does not fly like a Certified design, it flies like an MD88, then they have it nailed. I would imagine experience in soviet era equipment would be a good primer. .. a modern, push button, does what the book says it will RJ is probably the worst transition. In the absence of Tupelev time, the POS early model E120 with the pre - modified - post - modified electrical system helps prepare one for the experimental type from Long Beach.

Heard the Captains blame the jet more often that I did. I so enjoyed making fun of that airplane that I'd sit and wait for it to show its personality. It's loveable, just not very bright, like Winnie the Pooh. The FMC is constantly "think, think, think..."

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Old 04-17-2012, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Wow. Really?
No, not really. Merely an attention grabber. 99% of those who read it in the last :30 minutes got that. Those who didn't? Well.............may need to take a look in the mirror.

Wonder who those F/Os learned it from to blame the airplane for not making the restriction.
I suspect those f/os never took the gumption to learn anything, from anybody. Why should they?

The people I knew would understand the post-did. The people I suspected would continue to "out" themselves-also rose to the occasion. You are part of the 1%. Congrats.

See you in another month or so to throw some levity onto the fire.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:29 PM
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Right from Richard
-choice between A-319's and 717's, deal done by next quarter,still negotiating but price is currently too high.( my take-away, 717's when all said and done)
-Record year for profits, 1st qtr Rasm up 13.5 %
-Hiring 2013
-ETOPS all 737-900's
-Southwest not relevant in ATL until they fix problems
-100 to 150 50 seaters
-Have to have Regional feed, too expensive to do ourselves( don't shoot me, messenger only)
-Not interested in AA, too many problems. Would love DFW and MIA hubs if available
- take back Paris
-expand Heathrow operation
-Steady growth in Pacific
-Haneda/NRT future problem, already working the issue
-$ 900 million in interest this year, have to get debt down
-Positive about getting deal done with contract
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:30 PM
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CRM instructor: "Captain, what would you do if your F/O shows up at the airplane 5 minutes before pushback?"

Old Captain: "If he wants to arrive so early, that's up to him."
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
No, not really. Merely an attention grabber. 99% of those who read it in the last :30 minutes got that. Those who didn't? Well.............may need to take a look in the mirror.



I suspect those f/os never took the gumption to learn anything, from anybody. Why should they?

The people I knew would understand the post-did. The people I suspected would continue to "out" themselves-also rose to the occasion. You are part of the 1%. Congrats.

See you in another month or so to throw some levity onto the fire.
Whatever. It was a strong and very critical statement, but not one I wouldn't put past a guy who thinks his ____ don't stink and anyone that came after him, well, they wouldn't have made it back in the day. Do these people exist? Yes. Is it possible they would post what you did?

Part of the 1%? Your ability to assess from a post is very impressive.

- The guy who's fine dong a walk around while non-reving in uniform for the crew that is running a bit late to their next jet.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
I agree, I buy the first round even though I don't drink, but don't buy dinner. I will do a walkaround here and there, but nothing is set in stone. Never had an F/O complain about the walkaround-the FOM says that it's the F/O's responsibility. Have we got a bunch of "princesses" out West? JK :^)

I am not sure about princesses but anyone who reads even a few of the Delta forum on here is going to come to the conclusion that the average Delta pilot is one giant whiner!
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by N9373M
I for ONE, appreciate this!!! KUDOS!

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Old 04-17-2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
Why would you get bent out of shape with the 1/10 captains who don't "do their share"?
I don't. There's no reason to. That why I wrote that I don't get bent out of shape. Who p***** is your Wheaties this morning?

Can you elaborate as to the standard quota of walk arounds that constitute a "share"?
On my equipment, at my station, the norm is 50/50. Thus, 50% is the "share."

This thread is starting to turn into a first officer entitlement gripe fest--when it's not operating as the commuting pilot gripe fest. It seems indicative of the people we have hired since 9/11.
Your post really has me scratching my head. I basically wrote that most guys are a pleasure to fly with and you went ballistic.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Growth airframes. That's funny right there.

They will get us to bargain for a status quo or even a shrinking fleet/headcount just for fleet replacement with smaller jets. I'm actually suprised they didn't come seeking concessions for the big 737-900ER order.
The company will ask for 737 rates even though the -900 is a 757 replacement.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I don't. There's no reason to. That why I wrote that I don't get bent out of shape. Who p***** is your Wheaties this morning?



On my equipment, at my station, the norm is 50/50. Thus, 50% is the "share."



Your post really has me scratching my head. I basically wrote that most guys are a pleasure to fly with and you went ballistic.
Alright, alright. Everybody just chill out. I don't need to come on here to hear a bunch of complaining. Calm down. Leave the sniping and whining to the usual suspects.

Here's a clip of some dude at his SWA interview. Laugh...haha...we're all happy again.


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