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Carl Spackler

From talking to three different reps, the evidence is pointing to the "opportunity" being a large influx of ~115 seat aircraft. We are being asked to facilitate this by raising the 76 seat aircraft limit by 35 to 50 aircraft.

I asked each rep how they would vote if that is what happens. One said he'd vote NO, period. The other two said they would only vote YES if there was iron clad language that forced the company to remove those new RJ's, if mainline aircraft decreased.

Like I've said earlier, the bottom half of the list is more important than ever before.

Carl

Columbia

In other words, we are being asked to pay for it. Will it mean growth or just replacing larger paying aircraft for smaller paying ones?

FmrFreightDog

Sadly, a me run. But think of the show I would have missed if I slept in...

Free Bird

If DALPA asks for any more 70 + seat jets it more than likely be one of their last actions representing the Delta pilots. That would seal the deal to accelerate the DPA into office at Delta. Surely DALPA knows that?

Elvis90

Correct - if we give nothing it is still in the company's best interest to acquire these 717's for the right price, just like with MD-90's.

As Nu has stated previously, Delta's aircraft acquisition program is not the pilots' problem.

Carl Spackler

Just to be clear, DALPA isn't asking for the 76 seat limit to be raised, management is asking for it to "facilitate" the on-boarding of a large number of ~115 seaters at mainline.

Carl

76drvr

I doubt it, DPA doesn't seem like a real alternative. It's like voting in APC, or some other website. There just isn't anything of substance behind DPA, it's just a website. I think DPA's time has come and gone. Most pilots who turned in cards were IMO more curious than anything else, or just wanted to send ALPA a message. If Delta pilots were serious about DPA there would have been a couple hundred at their ATL meeting, not a couple dozen, half of whom were organizers and DPA would have raised a couple hundred thousand dollars, not fifty.

Believe it or not the opinions you read on these forums aren't reflective of what the majority of pilots believe. If the deal is right, whatever it is, and most pilots vote in favor, DPA is done, end of story. If the deal isn't right, it's far easier to replace the negotiating committee and elect new reps than it is to replace an entire union. JMO.

Free Bird

My bad, I worded that poorly. If DALPA put forth a TA with any more scope relaxation etc.

In regards to your previous post. Any rep that would for any reason vote yes on a TA that would give up more scope should state as much publicly.

Of course that will never happen as they would more than likely be re-called.

Elvis90