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Old 04-08-2012, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Hey, come on Clamp. When you asked me to stop, I stopped. I think the vast majority of us DPA supporters did so also. Other DALPA guys have recently accused us of posting DPA stuff when no such thing occurred in an attempt to shut down posts they didn't like. When they did that, it was/is the DPA guys that tell them to take it to the other thread.

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I wasn't talking about you, Carl. You were never the problem.

The other mods weren't helping me keep the DALPA/DPA stuff out of this thread (or gave up earlier), so honestly I just gave up... that is what I was talking about.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Seconded ... yielding the floor to the Distinguished Gentleman.
Thirded...yielding to the obfuscating spin-meister from MECca.

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Old 04-08-2012, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I wasn't talking about you, Carl. You were never the problem.

The other mods weren't helping me keep the DALPA/DPA stuff out of this thread (or gave up earlier), so honestly I just gave up... that is what I was talking about.
Oh.

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
My perspective:

I thought the prop limit in the contract already is 76 seats. The new definition doesn't have seat limits.

Allowing geared turbofans enables newer gen aircraft at DCI, IOW it doesn't remove them...IOW not a tightening of scope, instead extending the outsourcing.

If geared turbofans were NOT permitted, that would be a tightening of scope and certainly contracts would be sunsetted in somebody's lifetime.
I'm not sure if this is the case. The RAH thing has shown that if it's not in our contract that others can and will take full advantage of it.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:02 PM
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You know I like the costa rica surf institute.

shameless shilling for the only pop-up ad I like on the website.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:04 PM
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You know I like the costa rica surf institute.

shameless shilling for the only pop-up ad I like on the website.
You don't like that ATP ad with the Delta-colored RJ?
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I'm not sure if this is the case. The RAH thing has shown that if it's not in our contract that others can and will take full advantage of it.
I am pleased to see that the holding company provision is in there. In the case of RAH, it may be overcome by events, but at least it will protect us from having someone else pull those shenanagins.

Honestly, the opener had a bunch of (vague) blurbs that I had included in my survey...no doubt someone was listening (to me)(at least they know what's good for them).

OBTW, the RAH thing is in our contract, just not in an enforceable way, or (maybe its just that) we will not be boat rockers, just rocking chair rockers.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I am pleased to see that the holding company provision is in there. In the case of RAH, it may be overcome by events, but at least it will protect us from having someone else pull those shenanagins.

Honestly, the opener had a bunch of (vague) blurbs that I had included in my survey...no doubt someone was listening (to me)(at least they know what's good for them).

OBTW, the RAH thing is in our contract, just not in an enforceable way, or (maybe its just that) we will not be boat rockers, just rocking chair rockers.
I was trying to think of another example other than the RAH thing. The best lawyers in the industry "supposedly" didn't put the right wording in there, and it sort of made my point... well you got the idea at least.

It seems as though we will not be boat rockers with the RAH thing. The company doesn't want to see if we're rocking chair rockers either- I got to choose from a couch and a love seat!

It's been a long day and my brain is now shot. I had to bust out my bass guitar for 3 Easter services today, which involved a 6am wakup after being awoke by the alarm system going off at 4am. It's always totally worth it getting up to play... and hey, I got to try out my tritium night sights on my H&K, too.

Next time I'm thinking of going with a bit flashier looking bass to really bring the heat:

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Old 04-08-2012, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Hopefully a sign that negotiators are considering a number of fresh approaches to the issue.

I do take them at their word that they will improve Scope. I do understand there is a lot to do there, at both ends of the gauge spectrum. I can live with a "conceptual" opener. I just want "improve" to mean "improve".

But never mind the negotiators: I'm curious about Slowplay's vision. What do you think we should do with the DCI issue, Slowplay?
Agreed... hopefully that is the case. But, it leaves so much wiggle room that it can and should cause some concern over the intent.

I'm eagerly awaiting slowplay's reply as well.
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Old 04-08-2012, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I am pleased to see that the holding company provision is in there. In the case of RAH, it may be overcome by events, but at least it will protect us from having someone else pull those shenanagins.

Honestly, the opener had a bunch of (vague) blurbs that I had included in my survey...no doubt someone was listening (to me)(at least they know what's good for them).

OBTW, the RAH thing is in our contract, just not in an enforceable way, or (maybe its just that) we will not be boat rockers, just rocking chair rockers.

The need for holding company protections is a lot larger than RJET.
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