Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2012, 04:14 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
One more time buddy boy and you're on double secret probation!!!
04-08-2012, 04:33 PM
Da Hudge
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The usual arrogant "I'm smarter than you and you can't understand it" attitude that is brought forth from our resident ALPA committee people has done more to further the "other" cause than they can imagine. Just sayin!
04-08-2012, 04:40 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
There's a thread for that, moderator.
Quite transparent.
04-08-2012, 04:44 PM
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I love it... someone asks about the union actually doing real analysis on the cost benfits of insourcing, then a union guy comes on and says "we're doing it." When taken a bit deeper, that seems to not be the case. The other unionoid comes on and throws some numbers out there which were quickly taken to task. Cue defending and circles and attempts at fancy wording to look smarter with more info by unionoids which is quite transparent.
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
Why do our union guys try to justify the outsourcing?? This is ridiculous. Then they wonder why there is a push to get rid of this ALPA?
There was a resolution a few cycles ago that would have had the committee chairmen stand for election by the reps, but the old guard had their votes lined up, and the votes in play didn't want to rock the boat.
Funny how the unioniods only creep out when there is a serious question of the direction and facts. Gotta control that message.
Nu
04-08-2012, 04:47 PM
Da Hudge
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Best part...those guys are unelected and not responsible to the membership. Not even to the LEC reps. They only answer to the MEC Chairman.
There was a resolution a few cycles ago that would have had the committee chairmen stand for election by the reps, but the old guard had their votes lined up, and the votes in play didn't want to rock the boat.
Nu
There was a resolution a few cycles ago that would have had the committee chairmen stand for election by the reps, but the old guard had their votes lined up, and the votes in play didn't want to rock the boat.
Nu
04-08-2012, 04:48 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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04-08-2012, 04:49 PM
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So could the DALPA contract span to more than one company? The regional would get their pilots from Delta and pay in accordance with the Delta contract. All the pilots would be on a master list and could bid between companies as seniority allow. I know it may not be something you can institute now, but just an idea.
No spin intended. If we can surmount competitors with lower compensation at mainline and still get a raise, why do costs take on a more significant meaning at the DCI level? If I am misinterpreting you on this I apologize.
Sorry that "showcase" makes you think of Bob Barker, that really is unfortunate. I am totally amenable to any suitable substitution that you recommend.
Sorry that "showcase" makes you think of Bob Barker, that really is unfortunate. I am totally amenable to any suitable substitution that you recommend.
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The whole scope and relationship between DAL the DCI carriers and ALPA pilots would need to morph. It is possible though. Reality is the pilots here have to put a dogmatic change in the way scope is written at number one and mean it. Until then we will continue to have the debate.
I get the logic in your numbers, but I'm only getting the "why/how we can't capture that flying". But what I'm looking for is the outside-the box thinking that tells me how we can ensure more (much more) of the flying is done by pilots on our list. I'm open to a range of options that would not concede the low-end of the gauge. Do you also think in those terms, and how would you move small-gauge scope forward in a future contract?
04-08-2012, 04:50 PM
Da Hudge
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What was I spinning? Yours an alphas posts illustrate exactly what is wrong with the current administration.
I've got friends up at national and they are just as displeased with the way the Moak generation runs things as many of us are here.
I've got friends up at national and they are just as displeased with the way the Moak generation runs things as many of us are here.
04-08-2012, 04:53 PM
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Improve protections for domestic and international codeshare
Improve balance of flying between Delta and DCI
Change the definition of “permitted aircraft type” to include propeller and geared turbo-fan aircraft
Add new language to restrict the use of permitted and non-permitted aircraft within holding companies
04-08-2012, 04:56 PM
Da Hudge
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Please reread the opener on Section 1, a portion posted here.
Add new language to restrict the use of permitted and non-permitted aircraft within holding companies
Improve protections for domestic and international codeshare
Improve balance of flying between Delta and DCI
Change the definition of “permitted aircraft type” to include propeller and geared turbo-fan aircraft
Add new language to restrict the use of permitted and non-permitted aircraft within holding companies
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